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    Democrats need to address their defector problem. I can’t imagine PA Democrats feeling more energized to vote Democrat again if this is what they get. Same for AZ and WV.

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        Millions of dems who voted biden didn’t bother showing up this time, if they want those back these issues need to be adressed, if they don’t care they can keep saying things like ‘blue no matter who’ and ‘the most important election of your lives’ every election.

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    “Fascism, that’s not a word that regular people, you know, use, you know?” Fetterman said

    A fascinating perspective.

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    Fetterman is an excellent example of the need for representatives to be immediately recallable.

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      There’s always a potential fall-guy future-lobbyist in the Democratic party. At least this one has verified brain damage!

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    Fuckin Fetterman. Guy feels like an intentional personification of ‘don’t get your hopes up.’ Even the relative ambiguity around how much the stroke changed his personality; how dizzying.

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      If you wanted to dampen progressive enthusiasm, you could do a lot worse than running centrists as progressives and then having them show their true colors after they get elected,

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        There are lots of them. And they were known before he ran. Not to the general public of course. But people that knew him knew he was an asshole. The problem being twofold. The public was never told who he really was. They were successfully sold a fabrication . And he was running against a bigger asshole.

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          This is what the left is spectacularly good and bad at.

          They sell you an image of perfection because that’s what people want to see.

          Except it isn’t real, it never is. They sell you everybody as if they’re all sanders.

          And then the rug pull. Happens almost every fucking time.

          They’re either beholden to billionaires interests, or worse.

          You can tell the few that REALLY are good people. The whole party rallies together to stop them. AOC’s recent failed appointment, sanders and Hillary’s backhanded deal to keep him out.

          There’s no winning here, the psychopaths have won.

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            I voted for Sanders twice. He lost the popular vote. There was no back handed backroom deal. As someone who is pragmatically anarchist I don’t like the system and believe things should be more granular and local as a rule. Which would go a long way to solving this exact problem. You generally have a much better idea of people in your local community and who they are. Not always. But generally.

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              …are you saying you believe we had a fair democratic primary when Bernie ran against Hillary? You genuinely don’t believe the Democratic Party stacked the deck against him so that the candidate they picked (Hillary) received the nomination?

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                Of course the deck was stacked against a challenger going into an establishment party primarily. Sanders understood this going in. Why didn’t you? And even with all that Sanders still did exceptionally well. You’re taking away the wrong lesson from this. And despite the fact that I think that the primary should be made more democratic and less stacked against Outsiders and Challengers. The Democratic party did not break their own rules as a lower bar as that may be. Outside of that ghoul Wasserman Schultz who was ousted from party leadership and should have been kicked from the party as a whole over it.

                I truly like sanders. But so many of his supporters are so unlike him. And that’s the problem. Easily manipulated and misled. Turned against the very party that he is a member of and works with. Undermining his ability to actually accomplish anything for them. Out of some sort of misguided ax grinding but not even he wants or has asked.

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              Sanders supporters literally sued the DNC and the case was dismissed by DNC legal counsel arguing they were under no obligation to enact the will of the people and had every right to make backroom Deals in dark rooms filled with cigar smoke and rich old men. We are living in fascism right now. Both parties are owned by the same wall street military and prison industry profiteers who also control all the main stream legacy media outlets. The idea that our democratic system still functions is foolishly naive

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                Donald Trump sues people all the time for things they never did. Bringing a suit doesn’t necessarily mean something happened.

                I believe the DNC did not violate their own rules during the primary. That is a low bar. I think there’s plenty things we could do to make the primary more democratic. But the DNC didn’t break their rules just to get Hillary elected. The rules were designed to get people like Hillary elected.

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                Lawyers argue the easiest route they have. They’re there to win a case, not have a debate and sway an audience to their righteousness. If the party is under no obligation to be fair, that’s an easy solution and they don’t need to make more difficult subjective arguments about fairness.

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      The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.

      To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.

      To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

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      US politics is a reflection of the US public. Apparently a failed state is the best the US can do in the 21st C…

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    I get the idea: you’re supposed to be working together to run the country.

    But read the room dude.

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      you’re supposed to be working together to run the country.

      This is a dangerously naive view about politics. This philosophy of bipartisan cooperation pursuing shared goals assumed from the start that the goals are shared and that not just rooting for a president to fail but actively trying to make it happen can in many cases be doing the right thing for the country and your constituents. This isn’t just a matter of tone deaf messaging, it’s just outright wrong.

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    I can see his point. Rooting for Trump to fail means rooting for things to get terrible for a lot of Americans.

    Trump failed on Covid and people died.

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      Trump succeeded on COVID. Solidifying his base to confirm his death cult was his success.

      His success is our failure. Our priorities are not aligned.

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      Trump failed because he was empowered to fail.

      as a leader in the nation it’s his responsibility to give feedback from his constituency to his leader.

      wishing him failure or success is meaningless in the eye of his voters, and his comments are merely signaling to the GOP that he won’t be an obstacle to them.

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        Trump is not congress’s leader, though.

        Congress is co-equal. Or at least it’s supposed to be.

        He was elected for his supposedly progressive policies which trump wasnthrougly elected to oppose.

        You see how that’s supposed to go, yes?