I remain utterly discombobulated that 90% of redditors haven’t already migrated here. What exactly are they waiting for? Lemmy clearly is more than good enough already.
That’s kind of why I like Lemmy better. Rarely do I see reposted content. At one point I had a spreadsheet where I would log how many times I saw the exact same post on TIL or YSK.
There were a few small subreddits I hung on for. Just a few niche communities that flew below the radar and avoided some of the bots and other enshitification. But when they forced logon for old reddit. I was done. I’ve been so happy here on Lemmy. I reminds me of how fun reddit used to be.
Never thought this would be a badge of honour but I’m also proud I wiped my comments and deleted my account before they inevitably banned me for posting a 🍉 or something.
I would’ve seen their point maybe a couple years ago, but I can’t remember the last time I got to the bottom of the all feed here. And sister, I can scrrrroll. Like I start to grow mushrooms and I’m pretty sure my cat partially melds with me.
I also mod a couple communities on another account. Turns out if you just post things you’re interested eventually other people will join in and then you can just sit back and enjoy.
Yes! Hopefully with Lemmy being a bit more bustling now, the reddit users who are turned off by the login requirement will be more likely to stick around.
Yeah, people like you are changing it to something more palatable. And I’m seeing increases in different users posting/commenting more often rather than just the power users. Idk if it’s crossed the threshold for increasing usability yet, but I’m hopeful for it for the first time since I was new here that it’s slowly becoming better.
Users love big tech. They pretend not to, but they love their shackles.
For instance, when Twitter was bought by Elon and people had that big migration wave… Mastodon was right there, a fully matured ecosystem, same or even better features… yet the majority picked Bluesky, the “features” Bluesky offered are there in Mastodon, the only difference is Bluesky is also owned by private tech bros.
tbh the main culprit is ease of use. Icspent time on mastodon looking for content, and finding it is challenging. plus the very nature of federation adds more complexity and non-tech people do not explore because they enjoy it like many tech-heads.
the centralized, spoonfed approach is just simpler. it takes a somewhat hardcore desire for privacy, security to drive one through the difficulty.
That’s a good point, but I think it’s mostly a matter of marketing.
I also believe that decentralization scares most users. Isn’t really hard, but scary for others.
And, there is also the algorithm. I got someone I know to join mastodon. Like a month later, left because couldn’t discover interesting people to follow(I totally understood).
Ugh discovery. I also get it, but also there’s a thing called surfing the web: you just click around and keep surfing from one link to the next and before long you have enough follows to satisfy even the most voracious scroller.
Joined Lemmy about a month ago after 17 years of using Reddit. Account was deleted. A once very great haven for open discussion has turned into one of censorship inundated with bots to push propaganda. The writing was on the wall in 2015 and while its demise started slowly the rate enshitification grew.
What I don’t understand is given it’s inundated with bots posting/commenting to direct the narrative, what is the point of creating more obstacles for the common person to be duped. You’d think they’d want to keep it easy access to spread their “message”.
Control and tracking is the reason, and selling that data.
Those “obstacles” are there for profit, and probably some censorship. If the user says something they don’t like, they’re easier to ban or have the algorithm not show the post.
Yeah I feel like with lemmy you could just move to a smaller network/graph of federated servers. Actually I think some splintering of the fediverse would be a good thing if its numbers keep trending up.
Also the fediverse is crazy cheap to access. Like I’ve got a $8/mo CAD server running a dozen websites and a snac2 instance and it doesn’t choke even a bit.
Yeah, and I will say it’s definitely better for posting than I expected. I kinda was expecting very little response, and I think that the small community vibes help people feel comfortable replying to OC posts. That said, there are some things it’s missing (notably to me at least is a sapphic oriented nudes space). But ultimately yeah it’s good and improving, and I do recommend people who’ve been considering posting there give it a try.
Network effect. The communities and discussions are still there. Lemmy has the infrastructure, mostly, but not the users and not the discussions at least not in anywhere near the same volume.
There’s also a few seriously missing features with Lemmy, for example modmail.
I have also found, overall, as stupid and crazy as this may be, when discussing anything involving politics users on Lemmy can be almost militantly closed-minded. I find more intelligent discussions on Lemmy, but I also find more of the ‘you either agree with me or you’re everything that’s wrong with the world’ type.
I have mixed feelings on mod logs personally. They’re great when the mods aren’t trustworthy and nothing is controversial. But I think they leave mod teams vulnerable to coordinated attack, which absolutely will happen if lemmy gets big enough. The mod logs played a (small) role in my decision not to take on mod roles or start communities here.
Mod mail on the other hand is a great tool for communication with basically no downsides
The average redditor doesn’t care about any of this in my experience, they’ll just take all the crap because that’s what they see on all of the internet anyway
its the lack of content actually. the last instance that got shut down had way more content than now, because people dont stick to one place and grow them, they just go to ever smaller and smaller communities.
It’s hard to get used to the slower speed of these newer sites. I prefer it, but it took time to prefer it. You get so used to the speed of the giant networks and the emotions it triggers so frequently that the slower pace of smaller networks leaves you in withdrawal. This was why I didn’t use BlueSky as much as I used to use Twitter, but I’ve been starting to enjoy the slower pace of all of these services. I actually have more free time now because the tap runs dry and i log out for the day. I’ve been on the Internet since I was 11, back in 2001, and I’ve had to really wrack my brain to remember what it used to be like. Forums simply didn’t update at the speed sites do today, and I didn’t mind it.
Is Piefed better? I don’t like how duplicates aren’t combined on Lemmy.
Either you don’t think about which instance to join, and inadvertently join a conservative one. Or you do think about which instance, and it’s daunting.
I share a bunch of links here from time to time and Lemmy needs communities and content. It is not an insurmountable scenario, because Reddit was also much smaller at the time of the Digg exodus. Lemmy and similar sites in the Fediverse have improved since a few years ago, back when the only topic of conversation was beans and the site ran very slowly.
I remain utterly discombobulated that 90% of redditors haven’t already migrated here. What exactly are they waiting for? Lemmy clearly is more than good enough already.
Judging by comments it’s almost entirely the lack of content on lemmy puts people off
Most people on reddit are lurkers looking for an infinite scroll.
Which is insane, because reposts were rampant on reddit, to the point that I rarely saw anything new that wasn’t a news article.
That’s kind of why I like Lemmy better. Rarely do I see reposted content. At one point I had a spreadsheet where I would log how many times I saw the exact same post on TIL or YSK.
Smaller communities are better.
Does reddit still have that repostsluthbot?
they also started to recycle multiday old posts too. some have been reposted multiple times in a short amount of time.
Yep! Here is far better quality
The other part is lemmings. A lot of us here are very hostile.
Which to be fair so is reddit. Redditors have always been mercurial but it does feel like in recent years they’ve been much more combative.
Yep they really have
if you encounter the tankie instances, or the blahaj purist , and startrek website instance, then they are super-combative.
There’s so many tankies omg
There were a few small subreddits I hung on for. Just a few niche communities that flew below the radar and avoided some of the bots and other enshitification. But when they forced logon for old reddit. I was done. I’ve been so happy here on Lemmy. I reminds me of how fun reddit used to be.
With migration comes content.
Yep… now spread the word! I’m forever banned on reddit so can’t
Reddit is banned from me.
Never thought this would be a badge of honour but I’m also proud I wiped my comments and deleted my account before they inevitably banned me for posting a 🍉 or something.
I’m suspicious about people who AREN’T banned from reddit
You mean bots?
I would’ve seen their point maybe a couple years ago, but I can’t remember the last time I got to the bottom of the all feed here. And sister, I can scrrrroll. Like I start to grow mushrooms and I’m pretty sure my cat partially melds with me.
As a person who tries to post a lot here to bring more content, it looked a lot different around here even 6 months ago.
Thank you for your service.
I also mod a couple communities on another account. Turns out if you just post things you’re interested eventually other people will join in and then you can just sit back and enjoy.
Yes! Hopefully with Lemmy being a bit more bustling now, the reddit users who are turned off by the login requirement will be more likely to stick around.
Yeah, people like you are changing it to something more palatable. And I’m seeing increases in different users posting/commenting more often rather than just the power users. Idk if it’s crossed the threshold for increasing usability yet, but I’m hopeful for it for the first time since I was new here that it’s slowly becoming better.
Excellent! I love seeing that increase, I love hearing from different types of people.
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Or that the content that is here is mostly Star Trek, Linux and loli.
Users love big tech. They pretend not to, but they love their shackles.
For instance, when Twitter was bought by Elon and people had that big migration wave… Mastodon was right there, a fully matured ecosystem, same or even better features… yet the majority picked Bluesky, the “features” Bluesky offered are there in Mastodon, the only difference is Bluesky is also owned by private tech bros.
tbh the main culprit is ease of use. Icspent time on mastodon looking for content, and finding it is challenging. plus the very nature of federation adds more complexity and non-tech people do not explore because they enjoy it like many tech-heads.
the centralized, spoonfed approach is just simpler. it takes a somewhat hardcore desire for privacy, security to drive one through the difficulty.
That’s a good point, but I think it’s mostly a matter of marketing.
I also believe that decentralization scares most users. Isn’t really hard, but scary for others.
And, there is also the algorithm. I got someone I know to join mastodon. Like a month later, left because couldn’t discover interesting people to follow(I totally understood).
Ugh discovery. I also get it, but also there’s a thing called surfing the web: you just click around and keep surfing from one link to the next and before long you have enough follows to satisfy even the most voracious scroller.
Yep people go to the known brand
Joined Lemmy about a month ago after 17 years of using Reddit. Account was deleted. A once very great haven for open discussion has turned into one of censorship inundated with bots to push propaganda. The writing was on the wall in 2015 and while its demise started slowly the rate enshitification grew.
What I don’t understand is given it’s inundated with bots posting/commenting to direct the narrative, what is the point of creating more obstacles for the common person to be duped. You’d think they’d want to keep it easy access to spread their “message”.
They have the top google spots now for just about any question on any topic.
Obviously the next step is to use that position to their advantage – hide the content until the user is logged in. The Pinterest Strategy.
Control and tracking is the reason, and selling that data.
Those “obstacles” are there for profit, and probably some censorship. If the user says something they don’t like, they’re easier to ban or have the algorithm not show the post.
A lot of the OG’s have moved over. From Diggs exoduses (exodi? exodipodes?) We’re always the first to move, though. Digital nomads.
And the ones that would have been on Digg had they been born a decade or more earlier.
Eventually everyone else follows us, the new platform turns to shit, and we migrate again.
I hope the open, federated nature of lemmy prevents that…or at least delays it.
Yeah I feel like with lemmy you could just move to a smaller network/graph of federated servers. Actually I think some splintering of the fediverse would be a good thing if its numbers keep trending up.
Also the fediverse is crazy cheap to access. Like I’ve got a $8/mo CAD server running a dozen websites and a snac2 instance and it doesn’t choke even a bit.
Because all the porn is still there
Lemmy sure has porn, it’s just tucked away neatly in other instances that are not federated to the rest of the network.
FediNSFW exists and is growing.
Yeah, and I will say it’s definitely better for posting than I expected. I kinda was expecting very little response, and I think that the small community vibes help people feel comfortable replying to OC posts. That said, there are some things it’s missing (notably to me at least is a sapphic oriented nudes space). But ultimately yeah it’s good and improving, and I do recommend people who’ve been considering posting there give it a try.
Most of them don’t know that anything else exists.
Network effect. The communities and discussions are still there. Lemmy has the infrastructure, mostly, but not the users and not the discussions at least not in anywhere near the same volume.
There’s also a few seriously missing features with Lemmy, for example modmail.
I have also found, overall, as stupid and crazy as this may be, when discussing anything involving politics users on Lemmy can be almost militantly closed-minded. I find more intelligent discussions on Lemmy, but I also find more of the ‘you either agree with me or you’re everything that’s wrong with the world’ type.
Wait, there’s no mod mail‽ That’s a really important feature for people trying to mod well
There is the mod log at least. Getting banned on reddit was such a black box of pain. I wonder why I kept sticking my hand in it so often.
I have mixed feelings on mod logs personally. They’re great when the mods aren’t trustworthy and nothing is controversial. But I think they leave mod teams vulnerable to coordinated attack, which absolutely will happen if lemmy gets big enough. The mod logs played a (small) role in my decision not to take on mod roles or start communities here.
Mod mail on the other hand is a great tool for communication with basically no downsides
Nope. Nobody’s bothered to build it.
See https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/5110
The average redditor doesn’t care about any of this in my experience, they’ll just take all the crap because that’s what they see on all of the internet anyway
They just don’t know we exists, but they will eventually.
its the lack of content actually. the last instance that got shut down had way more content than now, because people dont stick to one place and grow them, they just go to ever smaller and smaller communities.
It’s hard to get used to the slower speed of these newer sites. I prefer it, but it took time to prefer it. You get so used to the speed of the giant networks and the emotions it triggers so frequently that the slower pace of smaller networks leaves you in withdrawal. This was why I didn’t use BlueSky as much as I used to use Twitter, but I’ve been starting to enjoy the slower pace of all of these services. I actually have more free time now because the tap runs dry and i log out for the day. I’ve been on the Internet since I was 11, back in 2001, and I’ve had to really wrack my brain to remember what it used to be like. Forums simply didn’t update at the speed sites do today, and I didn’t mind it.
I understand that in many of the most popular subreddits (if not site-wide) mentioning Lemmy is forbidden or rewarded with a ban.
Is Piefed better? I don’t like how duplicates aren’t combined on Lemmy.
Either you don’t think about which instance to join, and inadvertently join a conservative one. Or you do think about which instance, and it’s daunting.
It isn’t really that daunting, most people can just go to join-lemmy.org and any one there would be fine.
Lemmy is also not quite version 1, it is going to change a lot soon when v1 drops because there is a plugin system.
Hey, that doesn’t have sh.itjust.works!
Maybe because they host a community that harasses the lemmy devs.
But I don’t want users to inadvertently join conservative instances.
I share a bunch of links here from time to time and Lemmy needs communities and content. It is not an insurmountable scenario, because Reddit was also much smaller at the time of the Digg exodus. Lemmy and similar sites in the Fediverse have improved since a few years ago, back when the only topic of conversation was beans and the site ran very slowly.
spread the word
Are you sure you want that?
I do want some of them, yes.