note - this article isn’t a defense of Israel, don’t worry

  • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
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    meanwhile my Jewish family is all super MAGA, and go to a massive synagogue of MAGAS,

    they are supporting their own heatred, they are just happy the Muslims are hated more

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      It is the oldest trick in the book, make vulnerable people so afraid they become willing weapons against the even more vulnerable and the ruling class never even has to lift a finger to crush our dreams.

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        three opposite of solidarity, convince group A to erode civil rights to punish group B, then group A cries that it lost civil rights.

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      Well yes of course, I posted the article to pose the question, can we call out actual antisemitism if it is on the right and not the left bogeyman US media has been hyping up the illusion of and panicking about since the beginning of the Palestinian Genocide?

      Honestly I don’t think the right is capable of doing it internally, they will evolve into actual scary as fuck antisemitism rather than have an internal reckoning especially around the topic of the Palestinian Genocide. They are going to choose “Blame the Jews!” as a scapegoat for having to reckon with the fact that they violently ignored that their government was directly complicit in the Genocide Of Palestinians. This is of course, exactly what Netanyahu was banking on to retain power. The only way Netanyahu and Israel can defend its own bigotry, apartheid and genocide is if the oposition is equally racist and scares Jews into hateful ideologies. There is no other way it can work, the truth is too shocking and ugly for any other kind of system of lies to hold up.

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    This is how you know it’s all performance and in-grouping on the right. They collectively have zero foundational opinions about a subject until their tv sycophancy engages and they’re programmed into fresh hate machines

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      Yes, as a leftist it has been incredibly disheartening seeing so many good people get accused of anti-semitism because they speak up about the Palestinian Genocide all the while seeing the rightwing dive headfirst into normalizing genuine anti-semitism.

      This is was the inveitable consequence of conflating Israel with judaism and then strangling genuine leftwing criticisms of Israel using that conflation.

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    Republicans support zionists for the same reason zionists and the nazi’s cooperated, they don’t want jewish people here. Plus christian nationalists and evangelicals get the added benefit of jewish people returning to Israel is part of the rapture and second coming of Christ. They support zionism not because they like jewish people, but exactly the opposite. Zionism in of itself is an antisemitic ideology.

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    Just fatuously praise Netanyahu as the greatest statesman since Reagan/Thatcher/Pinochet, and you get a free pass to do all the blood libels you want.

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    They hate Jews. But it’s convenient to keep some around to make it look like they don’t.

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    It’s a complex tapestry. They hate Jews in relation to Christians. They hate poor people in relation to first-world nations like Israel. And they hate Muslims in relation to everyone else (aside from a few of the really rich ones, I guess). So no wonder it gets a bit tangled for them.

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      The same way white supremacist love Japan for their homogenous country. Israel is an ethno state with different laws for different beliefs, one obviously more supreme than the other.

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        Israel has the same laws for Arabs and Jews. They may not be evenly enforced, but you can say that about every country. Your claim was about laws, anyway.

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    Not for nothing, but a good chunk of the left are struggling with it too.

    edit downvote all you want … or just read the comments below mine. Lmfao… yall goobers.

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      Where? I have literally never encountered an anti-semitic leftist in the US, like ever in any context.

      All the anti-semitic people I have ever met have been very rightwing.

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        Well, if we figure out that DrFistington is a leftist, you’ll have encountered one.

        People get enough into hating Israel that they forget themselves. A French Jewish guy and his son were attacked in Italy, and the post had a mix of people who insisted they were lying or that due to Israel’s actions they deserved it.

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        Just scroll down… got one ready to nuke an entire region. Downvote me all you want, or dont believe your lying eyes.

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        This is insane to me, listen to any mainstream leftist twitch streamer right now. All Jews are held responsible for the actions of the government of Israel, and all Israelies are valid military targets because of mandatory IDF service, If they say nothing they are criticized because their silence is equated with complicity, and if they voice objection to the Israeli government they are criticized for not saying enough. All Jews seem to be slowly grouped together as Zionists by the left, where they then give themselves a pass to say horrific stuff. Then, talking about antisemitism gets them criticized as being perennial victims, hand-waving any actual discussion on it away. It is insane to me to hear leftist streamers objectively say identical things to Kanye and Nick Fuentes, things like Jews are indoctrinated from birth, or there are secret back channel communications where they coordinate on talking points, or they have a coordinated campaign to control the US government (once again equating American Jews with the Israeli government). Seeing the blind anti-Semitism happening in the US and the absolute refusal to confront it is so disheartening, and it has in my experience pushed several vocal leftist anti-Israeli government people I know to simply retreat and become non-political, silencing the voices of people who would have been powerful allies for Palestine.

        I promise you my literal across the street neighbors, who are Jewish American Democrats, didn’t stop putting up their inflatable menorah for the holidays because they support the government of Israel, they did it because they fear for their family because they were being harassed, and we live in a dark blue area.

        • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyzOP
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          This is insane to me, listen to any mainstream leftist twitch streamer right now.

          Like who? Be specific I am curious

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            Hasan. Many of his adjacents like Mike from PA, Denims, Noah Samsen, then some featured collaborators like Bad Empanada.

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                Wrong. Hasan is an opportunist that is so blinded on a single issue he says antisemitic things without realizing the consequences of what he is saying, and as he is increasingly radicalized on the Gaza issue (which is justified radicalization) he is losing the plot on being able to police himself, and is sliding headlong into rhetoric that has extremists applauding. He has done more to alienate Jewish allies who actually have voices and stakes in getting Bibi out of power by allowing his community to impose purity tests on Jews for their reaction to everything following October 7, and it’s directly strengthened Bibi’s support by turning allies into enemies. He has promoted us-vs-them rhetoric on IDF members with no nuance about the fact that they have mandatory conscription, so according to his rhetoric, it’s impossible for any Israeli to be an ally against the people in power creating the genocide. But, in my opinion, there’s this circle-jerk of outrage about Gaza that is so profitable to that community that the knee-jerk reaction to terms like “Israel”, “IDF”, “Zionist” etc gets views and donations and you can just spout things for clips without any nuance to literally watch money roll in. If you want the genocide to stop, Bibi has to get out of power, and you do that by creating allies out of the people that can actually vote against him and his regime, not hand-waving it away when they say “hey we’re getting freaked out by what sounds to us like racism.”

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                  Hasan is an opportunist that is so blinded on a single issue he says antisemitic things without realizing the consequences of what he is saying

                  What are these antisemitic things Hasan has said specifically?

                  Please source links to these allegations if you are going to make them.

                  He has done more to alienate Jewish allies who actually have voices and stakes in getting Bibi out of power by allowing his community to impose purity tests on Jews for their reaction to everything following October 7,

                  What mechanism is Hasan and his community imposing with? Are you alleging something internal to their community or alleging that Hasan and his community have some external power they are nefariously using to impose with?

                  sigh

      • JohnnyFlapHoleSeed@lemmy.world
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        I used to have absolutely no problem with Jews, or Israel. Hell I’ve even thought of converting. But after their raping slaughterfest of Palestine, I don’t want anything to do with the brand, or the product. I say nuke Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, and Israel back to the stone age, then fund a pro democracy movement in Iran and co-opt it while helping Europe push Russians implosion.

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          There’s way too many things in there to deserve an upvote, but I do agree with some things. Jews were even stereotypically looked at in high regards in many career options in the US. Nowadays, the only saving grace is that a lot of Jews are protesting what Israel is doing.