What if I irregularly smoke pot?
Watch as the GOP takes away gun rights from a sizable portion of their own pot smoking, 2A glazing base… and none will waiver their support.
Like clockwork, they get mad for all of 3 seconds, then they remember the GOP is leading the genocide against brown people and LGBTQ+ people, then they forget anything happened at all.
It’s already illegal. This is a challenge to restore those rights.
Pot snokers may be on the fence about you coming for their guns, but gun owners are gonna get real mad about you coming for their weed
Feels like alcohol should be higher in priority over weed when it comes to anger issues
recovering alcoholic here who has had guns, this comment is spot on. I smoke pot as well, never had an issue when high, but have been stupid with guns while drunk.
Came here for this: which of the substances makes you more likely to play Russian roulette?
The amount of accidents with guns and blood alcohol concentration must be fairly high.
Far out man.
One of the biggest potheads I know is a right wing trumpet with TONS of guns. The irony would be pretty sweet I gotta say.
I think you’re a little mixed up. It is currently illegal for a regular pot smoker to own guns. The supreme court is looking at potentially getting rid of that restriction. So if they did, I think it would actually reenforce your friend’s love of Trump.
They’re just trying to find other ways to take guns from leftists and trans people.
Also, since pot is federally illegal, and legal states don’t normally give the feds buyer info, how the hell would they even know? A form asking if you smoke pot? What stops someone from just saying they don’t?
A form asking if you smoke pot?
Yes, that’s exactly what already happens. The form in question is ATF 4473 for purchasing a firearm, and it is a federal crime to lie on that form. As far as the ATF is concerned, it does not matter if weed has been legalized in your state or not, or if it’s for medicinal purposes or recreational.
As of now, you cannot own a firearm if you are “an unlawful user of, or addicted to” pot or any other banned substance. This has rarely been enforced, and it’s hard to bring enough evidence to actually prove it. Were they a user when they bought it? A user an hour later? A month later? How do you even prove that in court?
The few times it’s been prosecuted, it’s usually one thing in a pile of more serious charges.
If the Supremes rule against it, then it’s just the status quo. Nobody can really prove it. There is some reason to think they’ll strike this down.
The ambiguity serves their cause. I expected for them to give a vague ruling that keeps people worried. The nazis running the government want fear, uncertainty, and doubt because it makes people easier to control. This ruling will be “Sure, go ahead, we prob won’t disappear you and your family for no reason at all, trust us, and stay in line”
it is a federal crime to lie on that form
But are you really lying when you think or feel you’re answering truthfully?
I.e., what is regular? Once a month? Once a week? These seem more “occasional” than “regular”. And even at 3+ times per week, in “regular” territory, what if you stop?
Are you still a regular smoker if you’ve been clean for a month? Two months? Three or four? Six or a year?
Of course, this is all under the assumption they don’t just get ICE’d or Venezuela-boated.
I think the answer lies in the Hunter Biden charges. They can ask the question when purchasing a firearm and then charge with a crime later if they can show that the person lied.
Honestly wouldn’t be shocked if they started going after recreational marijuana either. Some big liberal states have legal marijuana.
. . . if they can show that the person lied.
That’s the hard part, and the reason why it doesn’t get enforced.
Its not difficult to prove if you have a medicinal cannabis card. Not at all. All your purchases are prescribed and tracked.
Were you using it when you bought the gun? How long ago did you imbibe before then? What even is the time limit? Does your use count as addiction?
Is a federal prosecutor going to bother even pursuing those questions if they have to prove it in front of a judge and jury?
There’s so many ways a defense attorney could pick the case apart. They’re generally not going to prosecute this as the primary charge.
Yeah, I suppose my point is that it’s very difficult to prove in court (especially the “regularly” part), and something would likely have to happen alongside the charge for it to be investigated in the first place. In other words, it seems like mostly theater, although it would be another tool to further charge any leftists that smoke pot in the future.
Mostly, yes. That said, a change would actually be less of a problem for leftists arming up.
My local weed store tracks user’s purchases. I think every store i know of in NJ does.
Well, sure, but that doesn’t automatically mean the ATF has access to that.
They can buy that info from data traffickers.
In the past, the Supreme Court has ruled that penalising someone for failing to file or omitting information on a form which would incriminate them violates Amendment 5.
The case was regarding a tax imposed on gambling. People who ran gambling operations had to pay a tax of 10% of the amounts wagered and register with the IRS. At this time, gambling was illegal (almost) nationwide. The IRS then made those registration records available to gaming authorities, who would use them to prosecute anyone who registered.
The court ruled that forcing them to register and then providing this information to gaming authorities to prosecute people violated Amendment 5, and thus a person so convicted for failing to register could assert an Amendment 5 privilege against conviction.
Edit: Marchetti v. United States, 390 U.S. 39
Yep, it was this stupid bullshit that they got Hunter Biden on for his illegal owning of a firearm.
the question on the form is not temporally bound; it asks if you are currently using. i read it as “are you smoking while filling the form out?”
the answer is always “no.”
I have heard (not sure) that at least here in California, the rule applies to using pot in the past year, or maybe it was 5 years. I expect it is written down somewhere.
it’s a fed form no? iirc it doesn’t say a time range other than “current”?
It doesn’t even say that. It says:
Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana
or other stuff. It does not define “user”.
that’s it. yep. while ambiguity on a form gives leeway to the person who did not write it, this is still pretty clear to me. user of? (using while filling out form?) “addicted to”? ask any drunk they’ll tell you they’re not an addict. 😉
While that might be how you interpret it, I’m sure a court would disagree.
that’s my whole point. :)
Idk maybe it’s documented some other place or the dealer is supposed to explain it. I’ve never dealt with the process myself.
This is already the law, they are actually looking to overturn it. Despite having used it to prosecute Hunter Biden.
Yeah, makes sense from that perspective.
Fraud charges.
I guess, but “regularly” is hard to prove in court, or at least it was before 2025. Also before 2025, something would have to happen for you to be investigated for that in the first place. I’m sure now they’ll just make up a reason to investigate pot smokers.
I do wonder how it would go over in court now. In a jury trial, the prosecution would likely still have to prove that you “regularly” smoke pot, right?
I suppose my point is that it probably won’t be very effective in stopping pot smokers from owning guns (especially those that already own guns) if it’s just a yes/no on a form.
The way the law works currently it’s just a mechanism to remove gun rights from people and to tack on extra bullshit charges to anyone who happens to get caught with a little weed and also owns guns. Sincerely hope they can actually change this law because it is almost entirely used for bullshit.
the gop hardon for weed+jailtime, to feed into the forprofit system, in order to get kickbacks plus use the prison population as part of the census.
Can’t wait to send this to the weed smoking chud I know. Also they gonna throw out Hunter Biden’s criminal conviction?
I hope they decide they can. That said the entire corpus of the Roberts court still needs thrown out
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Everyone here is assuming they’re trying to outlaw this. It is already outlawed. They’re looking to overturn it.
I’m hoping it’s mostly europeans, I feel like most americans with any exposure to gun culture should already know about this being illegal.
The assessment should consider ALL mind altering substances the gun owner consumes. Beer, weed, medications. Self-reporting isn’t great, but better than nothing.
Wonderful, set precedent that the 2nd amendment is totally subject to the whim of the president. Then let’s flip all of government in 2028 and work on fixing this gun problem once and for all.
i’m all for better gun laws, and I speak as someone who owns multiple and yet still does not trust the 2nd amendment anyway. I think we should be reminding folks that “amendments” don’t mean shit, and we need legit common sense laws.
and a separation of concerns when it comes to what a gov can and cannot do. eg: laws won’t stop ppl from owning guns, but mental health/healthcare WILL stop people from causing harm.
gotta be careful with the wording, because “common sense” has such a broad meaning that it can be used by fascist to distort reality.
true!! i mean logical. my bad.
Well that’s not the case though. It’s up to interpretation by the Supreme Court. This is nothing new
Smoking pot should be mandatory. Some people need to calm down, mellow out.
Aren’t the pot smokers more mellow and less likely to fight/shoot/kill someone. I think drinkers stand a better chance of violence. How about we leave both groups alone. Case closed … next?
I think the issue should be pretty cut and dry. You can drink as often as you want and own guns. You can’t go out shooting while you’re drinking. You should be able to smoke whenever you want as long as you’re not inebriated when you’re shooting.
You can’t go out shooting while you’re drinking. You should be able to smoke whenever you want as long as you’re not inebriated when you’re shooting.
Fully agree, and have alienated myself from former friends over this.
You can drink all day and night. but don’t you dare touch a firearm while drinking. I don’t care if you’re just a little buzzed, man
As far as I’m concerned, smoke weed every day. But don’t you dare touch a firearm while high. I don’t care if you’re just a little toasty, man
Drugs and guns don’t mix. Alcohol is a drug. Don’t drink and shoot.
Well, drugs that impair you, anyway. Caffeine, for example, is fine, unless you’ve had so much that you get jittery.
What does this have to do with legally owning a gun. This isn’t about shooting inebriated. This is about cherry picking one group and castigating them. I have no idea where you go the idea that anyone said it was okay to get high and shoot. That’s a total straw man.
This ridiculous nonsense should and will get the NRA up in arms.
Chill dude, you’re calling out “straw man” like I’m disagreeing with you. I’m saying that the rules should work the same way. There’s no reason people that smoke should be banned from gun ownership, just like people who drink aren’t banned.
I simply replied to your post that didn’t address the topic of pigeonholing pot smokers to segue about people who smoke pot shouldn’t shoot like drinkers can’t shoot. Yes we all agree anyone fucked up shouldn’t be shooting and I really haven’t heard anyone suggesting they should? Especially here so yeah that’s a logical fallacy even if good intentioned.
Wow, you’re a little insufferable
You can’t go out shooting while you’re drinking.
Try telling that to the old farts at the trap range.
I knew one club shooting president who really, really wanted to ban drinking while using any of the ranges. The culture of having a beer while shooting was too entrenched, and the loss of membership numbers from the old guys leaving would have put the club out of business. So it was only banned on the pistol/rifle ranges. Had to leave trap and skeet as they were.
they should be the worry about the cocaine and meth users.
