God damn, people. Didn’t masked ICE agents snatch the New York City Comptroller and the migrant who had showed up for a hearing from the center of a heavily policed immigration court? Did anyone on the NYPD try and stop them?
You can see a local police officer in the fucking headline image. He’s holding back the press and letting masked ICE agents do as thou wilt. If the local PD won’t stick their necks out for a municipal senior official, what are the odds they’re going to do it for you?
This, after a sitting US Senator was arrested during a press conference? Who are you fooling?
Still recommending it because if the pigs show up and kill the pigs everyone wins.
That’s not how it works. If local cops show up, they only assist ICE. The NYPD in this photo were Brad Lander’s (Elected official being kidnapped) entourage. When ICE turned on him, they held the press back from ICE and then the senior member of their group cooperated with ICE and left the building alongside them and Lander. No asking for ID, no asking for a warrant from them, zero resistance, only assistance.
If the Dems want to actually exercise their right to resist a kidnapping they should be showing up with private security, or exercising their own 2A rights (Something that pretty much only politicians and friends of cops can do in NYC because NYPD gets constitutionally-questionable veto power on gun permits). But I’m guessing that is exactly what the Trump regime is waiting for. They will send in the national guard once that happens.
Good comment . I was being too flippant.
Didn’t they already send in the national guard and marines into L.A.? I don’t think he feels the need to wait for us to actually start shooting these thugs.
Great point
Dial 911 first, and say there’s a masked person with a gun. No need to qualify that shit.
My thoughts exactly. You think gestapo is gonna wait patiently while you call 911?
If you don’t, you’re dead or at least on the ground before you finish that first question.
You don’t have to talk to a masked gunman or engage with them in any way to call 911.
If you see masked people with guns, call 911. If they’re authorized to be there, there’s no harm in calling it in.
I think we’re all agreeing. My comment might have been ambiguous.
The real answer is anytime you see ICE acting extra-judicially call the police to report masked armed men trespassing and assaulting people.
Be vague. You don’t know who they are, they look suspicious, they look like they are about to commit a crime, this could be an active shooter/crime in progress , pointed a gun at you…. You know facts.
Utterly delusional to think any of that would work. At every step you would just get your face beaten in. When the cops come they too will just beat your face in.
Thinking you can castle doctrine a squad of ICE agents is equally delusional. You could probably take a couple out but you’d still die in the end and be risking the lives of anyone that lives with you.
The only solution is well known and already in practice in places like LA: have an active community response force that will show up and intimidate and harass the ICE agents. All of the previous delusions assume you, alone, can stop an ICE with just your privledge.
No badges, no uniforms, driving unmarked cars and wearing masks? I think any person could successfully argue in court that they thought they were being kidnapped by criminals.
You never get to court, that’s the point the previous comment is making.
As an individual trying to stand up to them you’re somewhere between being either completely ineffectual or making the situation worse. Having the law on your side doesn’t matter because it’s impossible for you to summon the enforcement of it fast enough to help you, assuming they even would.
A local community response that will mobilize and appear in your neighborhood in seconds is basically the only way to respond quickly with enough force for them to care about.
The people in LA Matt have been tracking and following the ice vehicles to some extent. We need that everywhere.
Yes, but I have a justifiable defense.
If I’m at risk of being thrown in a hole and forgotten about, I see that as my life is at risk. I will demand them to identify and if they don’t, that’s where the 2A comes in. At that point I’m literally fighting for my life however you look at it.
You’re still thinking as if due process and legality matters
You’re probably right, but you’d have to make it to court. Not everyone does…
If ICE is coming for you, then you’re not seeing court. If you’re some interfering bystander then maybe you will. But then you’re plan to lie to the judge and say you didn’t know? The judge will see through you’re bullshit immediately.
Like that could only work if you actually were ignorant and even then you’d have a long up hill legal battle to establish the precedent that its sometimes OK to shoot law enforcement. IANAL but I think thats a liberty the state has never been conceded.
If you live in a society where masked gunmen, who are answerable to NO ONE can black-bag and kidnap you off the street, then it’s time for folks to have an honest talk with themselves about what kind of society they really live in.
People who haven’t had this talk yet need to be aware that they’re late to class and should try to catch up.
then it’s time for folks to have an honest talk with themselves about what kind of society they really live in
The greatest! Amerikkkan society! The one they voted for!
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It happened at one of the protests. Someone asked one of the officers for their badge number and got their head battered.
Folks also need to be tearing down the local deathcamps, and rescuing the people still alive in them.
There were posters stapled to phone polls in my area with what to do when ice is around. Demand id, demand a warrent etc etc.
The next day there were news stories of ice not even caring about any of that.
They do not care about the law. Lock your door and hide. If you’re a neighbor tell them no one’s home. That’s about as much as you can do as an individual.
Tbh this is my plan if I see them, but starting with the calling 911 about the masked gunmen abducting my neighbor.
You know the cops watch the news too and will immediately guess what your up to. At best this is just trolling the cops. At worst you’re calling back up for ICE.
What I’m up to? Trolling? PD and feds don’t work on deportation together. I call a dispatcher and tell them I see an armed abduction, they’re going to send someone.
PD and feds don’t work on deportation together
Only if the city has explicitly forbidden them from cooperating. Many more have cooperation agreements with them: https://themarkup.org/tools/2025/04/16/law-enforcement-ice-cooperation-tracker
I call a dispatcher and tell them I see an armed abduction, they’re going to send someone.
That’s assuming it isn’t standard procedure for ICE to alert local PD to prevent this very scenario.
The only thing that can prevent ICE from abducting your neighbors is you and the rest of your neighbors working together.
Yeah, I hear you. Biased by personal experience and observation. Makes sense.
Btw, nice username!
show up and intimidate and harass
Well, show up and exercise first amendment rights certainly!
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Suicide by ICE not even my third choice but ya that’s where discourse is at rn huh
possible alternative would be to slash their car’s tires. don’t let them “get away” with this.
Sometimes you resist even if you know you will lose. At least it spends their time and exposes them to lawsuits.
If you want to be as annoying as possible out of spite or martyrdom I can respect that. But that’s what it’d be.
yes, I know that anyone doing anything but whatever nonsense they’re told is a dissonant and personally conflicted thing for you. Sorry about that. Its not a comment on your choices, just a statement of my own. I couldnt care less what you do or why-- I’ve seen your comment history over time. We never agree on much. Truly-- Good luck to you, centrist.
Life isnt easy, and I dont begrudge anyone not aligning to my worldview. Maybe what looks to be nonsensical to me is actually the right way-- I wouldnt be shocked to be wrong, compared to a centrist anyway. I’d be surprised if a right winger were right about much of anything.
I advocated for organizing community defense groups to harass and intimidate ICE agent, instead of individualist adventurism and you call me a centrist? Where you drunk when you wrote this?
If you can’t stop them, taking as many out with you as you can is not the worst option.
If one of the possible answers to your question is “yes, I am indeed armed, and committing a felony by impersonating a law enforcement officer”, you should reconsider your most recent life choices. In particular, asking them that question.
Observe from a safe distance, and call 911. What on earth do you hope to gain by going up to them for a chat?
excuuuuuuuse me. Are you actually taking people hostages? Or is this some kind of publicity stunt? Hellooo?! Are you really shooting at me? That’s just, like, so rude.
These sort of tactics might work if you’re with a large group in a public space, if you’re one person then it might not be the best idea. Honestly a lot of this stuff is highly context dependent.
so rude
Well, it is.
One would assume you are not alone when you do this. Confrontation in public is not just important but demonstrably working. We have seen plenty of communities scare off ICE.
You are far more likely to be dealing with ICE than someone impersonating them. Acting like you’re the next potential target for a political assassin is a bit weird.
Always be safe, always be careful, but the fact is if you’re out at a protest or live in a community with a substantial immigrant population, you are likely to encounter ICE/the police.
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This is not the place for internet slap fighting. Both of you go to your rooms.
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This is not the place for internet slap fighting. Both of you go to your rooms.
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What did the ants do to you two? Stop flipping my ants.
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I assumed this is what you might consider once confronted not like put “ICE confrontation time” on your calendar
Normally I’m not the guy to say it, but if you don’t own a gun, you may want to change that.
…if you live in the US. If you live elsewhere, please don’t own a gun. We really don’t want to get that snowball rolling.
Do you think people outside of the US should worry about ICE kidnapping them off the street?
Absolutely not, but american trends have a thing for affecting the rest of the world. There are a lot of conflicts around in Europe as well, which could make people seek ways to protect themselves and their families. And I hope that introducing guns as some household item is not something that happens in Europe anytime soon.
Good luck with that argument.
Good luck getting a gun in most places
I’m an American I don’t need to explain it any more than that
If a person impersonating a cop spouted out some random digits when I asked for their badge and serial number, I doubt I would be able to tell the difference.
That’s what the call is for- you ask the local office if they can confirm that that officer is actually on patrol, exists, etc. Idk how that would work for ICE though; I don’t think you can just call up the federal ICE headquarters.
That’s not what the post says. It says call 911 if they refuse. It gives no guidance on what to do if they respond.
At least with 911 on the phone you can ask to be connected somewhere who can verify
The current state of things is that they cover their faces and refuse to give any ID. Even fake ID.
I think if you followed the post suggestion and the result was that ICE would give fake names and fake badge-numbers, that would actually be positive because “agents lie about their identity” is something new and interesting. Then the strategy will need to change, but in the mean time it was useful.
Bruh… It’s like 630 in the morning where I’m at. Take your non constructive bullshit somewhere else.
You were responding to someone by basically telling them the post addresses what they’re saying, but it doesn’t cover the scenario they’re talking about. If anything it’s very constructive because it’s pointing out a very obvious flaw with the post with specific instructions on how to make it better (by including what you said, so I don’t know why you’re so grumpy with me).
Exactly. I had some undercover (or plain clothes I guess?) cops show up at my workplace looking for one of my guys. I asked to see their badge and they showed me a badge but honestly, that’s only gonna stop someone who didn’t plan far enough ahead. The badge could have been from the dollar store and I would have a hard time refuting…
ACAB
Ideally while having someone who isn’t you record the interaction, so when they drop you to the pavement and your phone ‘regrettably’ gets smashed to pieces, there’s still some external record of what went down.
Livestreaming the encounter could also potentially work. But yeah, ideally you probably want as many different camera angles and recordings as you can.
You’ll probably just get shot
On a Livestream? Maybe, but at least it’ll be archived on your social media account.
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What’s a good alternative!?
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Mobile Justice, but I’m not sure how good it is.
This always makes me think, if you resist an “ice agent” because they have not identified themselves, your not liable right? Like if you go infront of a court wouldn’t you have a good case to say, “they didn’t identify themselves, I thought I might be assaulted or kidnapped by someone”
There is a reason why they suspend due process.
You are being kidnapped.
Except you won’t go to a court. You’ll go to a camp.
Herein lies the problem.
There is no due process.
There is no law except what they choose to enforce.
You will not see a judge.
You will never be convicted by a jury of your peers.
You will just die, or be sent off to a place where you will likely wish that you were dead.
This is not law enforcement. This is not legal. They will not follow their own laws, why would you? If they come for you, fight like your life depends on it, because it probably does.
Your first mistake was assuming you would be allowed to see a court.
It would be incredible if we could get through a lawsuit to news stations anytime they make bad assumptions in articles. They continually write “Federal agents detained …” when they should be writing “A team of unidentified individuals in masks and armor detained …”
Just as they are always meant to write “The suspect” not “The criminal”. Nothing must be assumed in reporting (exceptions allowed if they’ve contacted ICE headquarters and received a confirmation of them)
The media is the 4th branch, they won’t report on these things until they have to. And even then, they’ll find a way to delegitimize.
Just as they are always meant to write “The suspect” not “The criminal”.
For now, anyway. Due process and the presumption of innocence are still holding up, but the fascists are working hard on that one.
You have not been reading the news recently.
Uh, that’s why I said the fascists are still working on it. We’ll know it’s really gone when shows like COPS can no longer say, “All suspects shown are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.”
Due process and the presumption of innocence are still holding up
What? No friend, that’s a very privileged viewpoint that doesn’t hold true for many people and never has.
Right, I know it’s under attack, but why then hasn’t media just dispensed with the pretense? Life would be so much easier if people stopped lying to each other, putting on fronts and making pretentions at being something or someone they’re not. It’s like, we know they’re full of shit, they know they’re full of shit. They know that we know, and we know that they know. So, what’s the point of keeping up this bullshit game any longer?
It’s not that it’s under attack it’s that it was never a thing to a portion of the populace. Namely black/brown/indigenous people.
The media hasn’t dispensed with the pretense because they’re propagandists owned by billionaires who have no interest in educating or informing people of the actual issues and only exist to distract and redirect the populace attention to the bread and circuses.
They wear the masks so they can’t be identified. They don’t want their kids friends and school friends to know that what they do.
I don’t think they care what their family thinks of them … I think they care about how angry democratically minded citizens see them as unidentified fascists hiding behind masks
If what you are doing is legal, legitimate and moral … then you never have to mask your name or hide your face
If what you are doing is illegal, immoral and highly dangerous to everyone including you and your family and you know it … then you are more apt to want to hide your identity and avoid having to deal with the repercussions of what you know is wrong
If what you are doing is legal, legitimate and moral … then you never have to mask your name or hide your face
Disregard this, hide your face at protests people
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That’s gonna be a non starter. If you ever have a thought that starts with “target kids” keep it to yourself and work on it.
It didn’t start there. It took 30 years to get past “we’ve tried everything to teach them to be human” and now it’s time to check what’s coming up on the list.
And we know one place they definitely won’t charge in guns blazing is to protect kids in schools. We’ve seen it twice now, in both Uvalde and Broward counties. If Texas and Florida won’t do it, nobody will.
Yeah still not ever going to be viable or acceptable. Once you bring kids into this to get what you want, you are a republican/Nazi.
Fuck that.
Next protest literally everyone should dress up in the same outfit the ICE officers dress in. Who would they arrest?
I was in autopilot reading this like don’t dress like cops then I remembered the cops aren’t dressing like cops. (I’m very sleepy.)
Impersonation a federal agent is a felony.
Don’t put ICE plastered on the front just dress up in black with a helmet and face mask and vest. When there’s 1000 it’s close enough
I think it’s just wearing clothes not a uniform though and not stating you’re an agent, so I don’t think it’s impersonation.
However I think it’s dangerous to do this. We’re better off when we can identify the enemy.
Should remind them of that.
ICE is under a federal agency, isnt it?
They’re identifying themselves as ICE. Who they actually are is up for debate. They seemed to have rushed this so bad that they don’t have proper identification at all and do not care to.
And yet there are no laws against expersonating.
Curious.
Then the fucking idiots in ice refusing to identify should all be locked up for impersonation of a federal agent.
Skip straight to step 3. Just call 911. These guys aren’t fucking around, and neither should you.
Exactly what I thought. If their intent is to kill you they aren’t going to mess around while you ask several times threatening to call the police.
If their intent is to kill you, phoning 911 is a waste of time. You are now alone. Fight for your life. Take down as many nazis as you can.
Like they,are going to give you the time to do this shit.
