Masked thugs kidnapping people, including PhD students, off the street and into unmarked vehicles.
Yeah, I’d say ICE has some things in common with the KKK.
Also, the burned look works well on that building.
A reminder to people who call this an act of violence, it isn’t. Violence can only be committed against living things. This is arson which is a type of vandalism. If there are people or animals inside, then it’s violence. If only property is damaged it’s vandalism or sabotage, depending on the purpose of the damage.
I find it hard to believe anyone would actually equate ICE with the KKK when the only thing they really have in common is racism. They’re much more equatable to the Gestapo and KGB
KKKGB
Finally lighting fire to the right things…
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Destroying a building used by the party that is destroying and vandalizing the government, systems of support, the economy, and the American way of life is far, far, so fucking far and away from what you’re trying to make it.
Oh thats right, only the GOP can ignore civility and the law.
Nah, the vandalism isn’t coming from them. They’re way too conservative for that.
No democrat would do this, it’s not their style.
He’s Canadian.
That’s different, you know.
The reason why the fascists want you to protest peacefully, is because it makes it easier for them to ignore you.
Also, easier to shoot you if you’re unarmed.
Now that’s the kind of direct action I like to see!
Get fucked Nazis. What goes around comes around. This shit will only get worse.
GOP = Nazis
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what about this is violent or democrats?
Show your work.
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Just don’t leave fingerprints on the bottle :)
Just get the bottles from Pete hegseth’s bins. There are bound to be more than enough.
Excellent. Only 52 more to go
what do you call a nazi hq set on fire?
a good start.
they’ve already taken over. this is retaliatory, and therefore not analogous.
Hitler was chancellor already when the reichstag fire started. What it did was allow him to seize absolute control. We’re not there yet. Courts are still ruling against trump. Elections haven’t been cancelled yet. It’s a mistake to assume things are already as extreme as they’re going to get.
they’re currently disappearing people for looking funny and sending them to blacksites to be abused and tortured just for the sake of it, and they’re not obeying court orders. they also have already had the Supreme Court give them a get out of jail free card for literally anything the president may do. they’re decimating the institutions on the demands of an unelected, unofficially acting billionaire. they’re literally erasing women and black people as well as other minorities from history.
I think it’s a bigger mistake to pretend they still have ways to go. this is through and through fascism. at this point, if they fire up the ovens, it will only be the continuation of their current actions, barely an escalation.
I think it’s an even bigger mistake to think that starting a fire in a single state’s party HQ is going to move the needle at all. It’s not going to hurt them. It is going to give them ammo. Go big or go home.
who said anything about single
i think you missed or forgot the point of the joke in the original comment
Wasn’t the fire that started everything done by the Nazis? It’s not like we can stop them from framing us.
Which is why this stinks to high heaven of a false flag attack.
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Ah you’re right we should appease them instead, if we just be nice they’ll stop deporting people
Maybe you’re just a coward.
I, uhh, was being sarcastic. It is in fact allowed to do that on the internet, even if you don’t actively announce it. But I definitely am a coward though.
Perhaps instead of saying stupid things on the internet you could spend some time reading up on WW2 history
Perhaps instead of being a big meanie pants you could look outside and realise that just because they’re also nazis it doesn’t mean everything has to happen 100% word-for-word the exact same way like some kind of shitty sci-fi movie. I get that the symbolism is compelling and everything. But nevertheless burning down nazi buildings is good, actually.
You’re both right, and you both got my upvotes.
The current administration will absolutely use any unrest it can to solidify its grip, and they are, as @the_crotch@sh.it.just.works mentions, looking for just such an event to declare martial law.
But @pourous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml is also correct in understanding that this process has already begun, and that retaliatory actions are not specifically analogous, especially as it’s very likely that the Reichstag fire was a false flag event engineered by the Nazis themselves as an excuse for Kristallnacht.
Will this kind of event help in the long term? I’m uncertain. On the one hand, it’s really good to see resistance take physical form with the potential to inspire further action, but on the other, it means that the right can use it as an excuse to further oppress. Since the mass media has been captured by the right, it’s most likely that the perception of this event will be tailored to reflect the latter.
So, unless this action created an impact on the GOP beyond simple property damage (like destroying lists of political opponents they’re looking to deport), I think this action will likely backfire per @the_crotch’s conclusion. However, that could be offset by the publicity inspiring further resistance on the left. And @pourous_grey_matter is very correct in understanding that we have a very small window of opportunity to act.
So kiss and make up - you’re on the same side, and celebrate the fact that you can argue about tactics publicly.
We may not have that option for much longer.
Well said. We need to unite to counter this stuff. The right is definitely united. Fascism is very attractive to the average voter.
I like you
History doesn’t exactly repeat. It sometimes rhymes. Just because it happened one way doesn’t mean it’ll go the exact same way again.
I agree. I also don’t see any way in which burning down a small GOP office helps anyone but trump.
Oh brother… here we go… I remember hearing all this Hitler bullshit during Trump’s first term…
Yes, and rightfully so.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/19/godwins-law-trump-hitler-00132427
I wonder if someone parked a Tesla next to the HQ. They seem to have a habit of spontaneously combusting.
And I was just thinking I never really hear much about things in New Mexico. Good job guys!
This is clearly insurance fraud. We all know the GOP are nazis.
Thoughts and Prayers, etc.
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Congrats on being a mexican nazi.
“Surely the leopards will not eat MY face!”
Conservatives always think they’re the exception to every rule and that they’re the arbiters of normality.
Its a kind of mental gymnastics I’ll never understand and it makes them immeasurably weird (in a bad way).
Bait used to be believable.
While I don’t agree with your vote, I hope you and your whole family don’t get arrested by ICE. That said, how in the world could you support trump?
That’s funny, because I hope he and his family DO get arrested and deported. FAFO
maybe not a Nazi, but definitely simple minded. the world isn’t such a binary. be careful around ICE, being a Mexican - or go see for yourself how they treat you, since they’re just “doing their job”
Most Nazis were dupes. Many Nazis were kind and sweet in person, I’m sure. The problem is they also whole heartedly supported a genocidal psychopath with a death wish and could not distinguish lies from truth if their lives depended on it, which it did.
Weird, sometimes Republican headquarters just do that.
If it was a legitimate arson, the building would have had a way of shutting this whole thing down. Seems to me like the building was asking for it.
Let us not forget: it was the Democrat Party that once supported the formation of the KKK, pushed Jim Crow laws, and defended slavery
They like to conveniently forget that the parties had a flip. So yes, while the democrats IN NAME pushed all that abhorrent ideals, those democrats are the Republicans today.
Who cares about any of that.
Just ask who do the KKK vote for now
Obama? Harris? Clinton? Biden?
Reminder that the Irish and the kkk are mortal enemies.
Ask around notre dame.
A moment of silence for the chapel.
I’m not getting this one, would you like to explain what it’s about?
Not really. Duck duck go it.
Trump, Trump, Jill Stein (David Duke doesnt like Israel)
Amy is correct. Therefore, we should take down all the monuments to the Confederates that those Democrats put up.
I wonder if this could actually happen. Some of those local ballot measures are deliberately written in a confusing manner anyway. If someone managed to get “remove all democrat-placed statues prior to 1960” on a ballot in a red area I bet it’d pass.
And as I like to say, we used to prescribe cigarettes for asthma. The times will change.
That was such a disingenuous comment. Literally relying on the peoples lack of history knowledge to distort the truth. It’s fucking doublespeak.
Don’t lie to my face and tell me I like it.
During the last election, billboards had signs up in my area saying exactly that: Republicans ended slavery blah blah blah. They just bank on the wide populace to not know the history of the parties.
Ive only ever met one modern Republican who has explicitly aknowlaged it. When he asked me “do you like any famous Republicans” I responded “Lincoln wasnt too bad and John Brown was amazing”. He immediately responded “uhhh the Republicans used to be woke, the Democrats used to be the party of freedom”.
Wish more people realized this. They actually still think they are the party of Lincoln.
We think that because the Republican party has been made up of minorities for years now. I find it funny how you call Republicans racist, when a large majority of us are minorities ourselves.
Having a tiny percentage of voters not being white Christians doesn’t mean the Republican party is “made up of” minorities.
We call Republicans racist because they are. This administration has gone out of its way to erase any traces of history that even mentions people of another race.
For example, there’s only one reason to delete any references to the windtalkers, who played a pivotal role in the war, from federal WW2 sources. That’s racism.
Minorities can still be racist. It’s not just white people who are racists.
The alr right shows have claimed to debunk that myth and that the Dems are the true racists. It’s like gas lighting for the centrists/right-wing.
They conveniently deny that fact
Well, Newsweek is out as news. They should have followed up with factual history about how these parties switched. (Where are the whigs in all this???)
America always being 2 party, in my own hindsight, should have been suspect. The world is not binary.
Not that I had control of when or where I was born.
America has always been two-party (that’s the inevitable game-theory result of how our elections are designed), but it hasn’t always been the same two parties. When the Whigs were a thing, the Republican Party didn’t exist yet.
They also realigned three or four times without changing names.
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_the_United_States
While that is the pop culture explanation it isn’t quite right. In order for the parties to have flipped. The rural xenophobic bigots would have had to go to the Republican party. And the Republicans fascists would have had to have gone to the Democratic party.
The KKK and the bigots switched. The parties didn’t really. The true irony being the KKK and Southern bigots were the huge influence on European fascists. But in the United States they were technically opposed simply because they had traditionally been in different political parties. But civil rights legislation brought about a realignment. Our ignorant xenophobic bigots and our fascist suddenly found themselves Brothers in Arms.
The party’s polarized along the xenophobia and bigotry lines. But they didn’t really switch.
Only one party is enacting fascism here and it’s not the Democrats. Such delusion.
I didn’t say otherwise. I literally implied that the xenophobic bigots and the fascists all joined together in the Republican Party. You need to work on reading comprehension I think.
The rural xenophobic bigots would have had to go to the Republican party.
That did happen
And the Republicans fascists would have had to have gone to the Democratic party.
This did not. So where did you say the opposite of what this means?
Yes the whole point of that statement was pointing out that the latter didn’t happen. It was a rhetorical statement. The framing before that statement made it quite obvious. Stating that in order for the parties to have switched. The fascists would have to leave the Republican party. Which anyone who is informed knows did not happen. You are agreeing with me while attacking me.
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about
They swapped names?
More “they swapped ideals” a long time ago.
Okay, but millions and millions of blacks, Asians, Latinos, Mexicans… etc… are republicans… are they racist?
Ignorant and have been lied to. Rememeber the 30,000 confirmed lies in his first term? Also many many minorities have already come out saying they regret their vote.
