• Anegro_Montoya@sh.itjust.works
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    How fucking scary is it that the richest person in the world is a fucking nazi piece of shit and now one of our supreme leaders? If you ask the people around me, “meh.”

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      Honestly none of them strike me as true adherents. They just go whichever direction looks like it will give them more power or money. If there is a next administration or some BLM like cause comes back in vogue you’ll see them out there preaching to that choir as if they had always supported that cause.

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        While I agree most of them do whatever they believe will result in more money and power, BLM was a leftist cause so the only time they would support it (or anything inherently leftist) is if their propaganda magically started to fail and their base rejected them over their stance.

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    It’s really important to remind people who are defending Musk what he was doing in Germany just a few days before this salute.

    He was fucking defending Nazis.

    This salute was no accident.

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    I was talking about this with my friend and she was like, “I heard it’s just a Roman Salute.” Be ready to be surprised at how many people will defend this crap.

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        That’s what I told her. I let her know that anyone trying to correct her with that is trying to play games.

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      It really is sad how many things that little fuck nugget has ruined. In this particular instance I mean Hitler.

      Swastika? Neat, simple little geometric shape. Independently created by a few different cultures. Ruined.

      “Roman salute”? Kinda neat looking, again simple. And again probably independently invented in a few places, but definitely Roman. Ruined

      The charlie Chaplin mustache? More widely adopted after WWI as a style that would fit under a gas mask. Ruined

      I’m not trying to campaign to rehab any of these things or apologize for musk. Just kinda sad how all this cool shit got tainted.

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    I saw a nazi just as clearly as you saw a nazi. And no, we did not just see a nazi salute, we saw a complete nazi piece of shit. There’s no more to this story, nothing here is up for debate.

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    Just went to LinkedIn just to see bottom of the barrel bootlickers defending him.

    ” He’s autistic”, ” that picture is taken out of context”, ” it’s a Roman salute”, ” look at these out of context pictures of other politicians making the gesture”, ” how can he be a Nazi if he supports Israel?”

    No he did a full on deliberate Nazi salute at a far right event.

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      I’m genuinely curious: who the fuck defends Elon and Nazis on LinkedIn? Are we so far divided as a country that it’s ok to associate employment with a penchant for Nazism?

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      I’m autistic, I’ve never done this gesture. Everyone’s different, of course, but I’ve never seen anyone at all do this by accident. I’ve seen the defence that it’s a “from my heart to yours” gesture, but if that was true, it would be palm up. Palm up is the giving gesture. Palm down is a saluting gesture.

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        Yeah, excusing it by saying he’s autistic is ableist by itself. We’re not incapable of understanding dog whistles or concepts, you know?

        Especially when people in the same breath call Elon a genius. You can’t have it both ways. Either he’s clueless and shouldn’t be in a position of power, or he’s actually a nazi… and shouldn’t be in a position of power

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      there is no proof in roman writing or painting of this salute, there is no doubt about Musolinis fascist movement using it in 1919 and later the german nazis adopting it

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        It’s the oath of the Horatii and asterix - both well known for being reliable historical sources

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            Oh he makes big tweet where he agrees with tweet that say da joos are bringing in minorities to destabilize america, is from a literal nazi family, he doesn’t apologize for the literal nazi salute at all.

            There are thousands of politicans all around the world that don’t do the gesture at politcal events.

            You’re welcome to do the questionable gesture infront of a synagouge, israeli embassy or really any busy public place.

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              That he did something that’s actually bad.

              Like killing people.

              But just reaching his hands in the air once that might be related Nazism, didn’t make him “definitely a nazi”

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                Surely we can find hints that somebody is a Nazi before we find out that they’ve killed people.

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                  But jumping to conclusions is bad right?

                  There’s definitely interpretation to this gesture he did. This doesn’t make him a nazi. The people aggressively trying to push the users that he’s a nazi are acting more like Nazis than him.

                  This could be a mistake or a silly blunder or even just him trying to throw his affection out. But people shouting and screaming, calling people names and being derogatory is disturbing

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                He’s posted in support of far-right extremists in Germany and the UK multiple times, he’s ‘liked’ antisemitic posts on his shitshow of a site, he’s used avatars that are used by the alt and far right. And now he’s done this. A nazi salute. He’s a nazi. Nobody needs to ‘go out of their way’ to call him a nazi when everything he says and does shouts the fact from the fucking rooftops.

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          He made a heart thrown out gesture and now there’s all this hysteria probably artificial. That states he’s a nazi for one at the very least questionable event. Yet people are treating him like he’s gasing the Jews

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            huh, funny google analitics fails to find literally anything on this common “heart thrown out” gesture.

            Thanks for proving again he did a nazi salute.

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            Nazism isn’t limited to hating Jews. They were targeting other marginalized groups at the time. This time they’re targeting a different set of groups, most notably transgender people.

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    Someone might, but sure as fuck not twice in a row.

    I mean I did once accidentally do one because i was just trying to wave to people sitting on the ground and automatically adjusted my hand angle to be flat towards them and did not realize what I just did until they pointed it out. “Slightly” different context though.

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      Yeah, I wouldn’t rule out mistakenly doing the salute. But you don’t mistakenly do it twice and then not apologize for doing people considered to be a nazi salute. Even if you do it once and you don’t apologize after being called out you’re a nazi. It’s such a taboo thing that you’d be apologetic or at the very least remorseful or ashamed. Musk is none of those things.

      And to anyone defending Musk, if he pulled out his dick and swung it around on stage and then doesn’t show any remorse for showing his dick, would you think it was accidental?

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    And more to the point, no one stumbles into an extreme-right event, gives a hyper reactionary speech, and does two nazi salutes by mistake.

    The media that’s helping Musk gaslight everyone should be ashamed of themselves.

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    Billions of people, including those in high positions and with cameras on them all the time wake up every day, go about their business and then go to bed in the evening without even once doing a nazi salute by accident throughout their day. It’s not that hard actually. I’m on a pretty great streak since my birth as well and it’s really easy.

  • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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    This springs to mind:

    “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7870768-never-believe-that-anti-semites-are-completely-unaware-of-the-absurdity

    Thus begins four years of trolling. Did he? Didn’t he?