I found that it was easier to quit smoking using a vape because I kept the same motion. I needed a powerful one to feel a similar hit.
And I found it easier to stop vaping than to stop smoking because I could mix liquids to have any desired nicotine content, allowing me to reduce it very gradually. A lot of people simply replace smoking with vaping but that’s still an improvement.
I know… and it’s not exactly an improvement.
When they are not planning to quit (which was the point I was addressing), it doesn’t seem like an actual improvement.
No, you people keep saying it’s better and an improvement, the video says that it is less bad as we know right now, but also adds that there hasn’t been enough studies to declare it as a fact or a standard to keep a minimum safety with all the chemicals used in them (like the filters on the cigarettes, they were added for a reason… And even with them cigarettes are terrible)
So I’m still waiting for a reason that addict A switching from smoking to vapes makes it better, since addict A don’t plan on quitting.
On the short-term it might be better, but mid-term or long-term what is going on with the new toxins he will inhale?
And well yes, new health hazards will be discovered about vaping, there is no doubt about it. Just as new health hazards are still discovered about smoking.
But as of our scientific knowledge right now it’s better, and it’s unlikely to shift because the main source of toxins has been eliminated: combustion. I’ve yet to see a source that says otherwise and you have no other way than to use the current knowledge to make a choice.
I don’t really see your point, why should people keep doing what we know to be worse?
And what do you call mid, long-term? Because vaping has been around long enough to have people that have been doing it for almost 20 years.
Smoking introduces a lot more chemicals than just nicotine. A lot of health hazards associated with smoking are from the smoke itself, not the nicotine. Vaping allows you to remove the smoke part of the equation. (Vaping also introduces a bunch of hazards on its own, but it’s still overall better than smoking)
Vaping also introduces chemicals of their own and honestly calling them vapes is also wrong because what you inhale might not be smoke but it is not steam/vapor since it might or might not use clean or infused water to make steam.
When it comes to quitting, then yes, I could agree vaping is better and seems to actually help people quit, but when we are talking about people who are just switching but don’t plan on quitting (which was the point I was addressing) I fail to see how going from toxic product A to toxic product B counts as an improvement, specially at this point when there’s not enough studies or a standard to keep them as safe as possible.
I quit smoking using a vape and then quit vaping.
I found that it was easier to quit smoking using a vape because I kept the same motion. I needed a powerful one to feel a similar hit.
And I found it easier to stop vaping than to stop smoking because I could mix liquids to have any desired nicotine content, allowing me to reduce it very gradually. A lot of people simply replace smoking with vaping but that’s still an improvement.
Why/how is it an improvement? They are just moving from one way to consume it to another.
Because different ways to consume have different health hazards.
I know… and it’s not exactly an improvement.
When they are not planning to quit (which was the point I was addressing), it doesn’t seem like an actual improvement.
It is, smoking is worse for your health.
How is that guy trying to actually argue that vaping is as harmful as smoking? What an insane thing to say.
I wasn’t, but assuming is easier than understanding
Compeling argument right there
Well the argument is the video you linked, I don’t have time to rewatch it but you can look in the sources:
https://sites.google.com/view/sources-vaping/
I suggest you watch the material you link in the future and I’ll point out that no one is arguing that vaping is safe, only less bad.
No, you people keep saying it’s better and an improvement, the video says that it is less bad as we know right now, but also adds that there hasn’t been enough studies to declare it as a fact or a standard to keep a minimum safety with all the chemicals used in them (like the filters on the cigarettes, they were added for a reason… And even with them cigarettes are terrible)
So I’m still waiting for a reason that addict A switching from smoking to vapes makes it better, since addict A don’t plan on quitting. On the short-term it might be better, but mid-term or long-term what is going on with the new toxins he will inhale?
Who’s “you people”?
And well yes, new health hazards will be discovered about vaping, there is no doubt about it. Just as new health hazards are still discovered about smoking. But as of our scientific knowledge right now it’s better, and it’s unlikely to shift because the main source of toxins has been eliminated: combustion. I’ve yet to see a source that says otherwise and you have no other way than to use the current knowledge to make a choice.
I don’t really see your point, why should people keep doing what we know to be worse?
And what do you call mid, long-term? Because vaping has been around long enough to have people that have been doing it for almost 20 years.
Smoking introduces a lot more chemicals than just nicotine. A lot of health hazards associated with smoking are from the smoke itself, not the nicotine. Vaping allows you to remove the smoke part of the equation. (Vaping also introduces a bunch of hazards on its own, but it’s still overall better than smoking)
Vaping also introduces chemicals of their own and honestly calling them vapes is also wrong because what you inhale might not be smoke but it is not steam/vapor since it might or might not use clean or infused water to make steam.
When it comes to quitting, then yes, I could agree vaping is better and seems to actually help people quit, but when we are talking about people who are just switching but don’t plan on quitting (which was the point I was addressing) I fail to see how going from toxic product A to toxic product B counts as an improvement, specially at this point when there’s not enough studies or a standard to keep them as safe as possible.