I know… and it’s not exactly an improvement.
When they are not planning to quit (which was the point I was addressing), it doesn’t seem like an actual improvement.
No, you people keep saying it’s better and an improvement, the video says that it is less bad as we know right now, but also adds that there hasn’t been enough studies to declare it as a fact or a standard to keep a minimum safety with all the chemicals used in them (like the filters on the cigarettes, they were added for a reason… And even with them cigarettes are terrible)
So I’m still waiting for a reason that addict A switching from smoking to vapes makes it better, since addict A don’t plan on quitting.
On the short-term it might be better, but mid-term or long-term what is going on with the new toxins he will inhale?
And well yes, new health hazards will be discovered about vaping, there is no doubt about it. Just as new health hazards are still discovered about smoking.
But as of our scientific knowledge right now it’s better, and it’s unlikely to shift because the main source of toxins has been eliminated: combustion. I’ve yet to see a source that says otherwise and you have no other way than to use the current knowledge to make a choice.
I don’t really see your point, why should people keep doing what we know to be worse?
And what do you call mid, long-term? Because vaping has been around long enough to have people that have been doing it for almost 20 years.
why should people keep doing what we know to be worse?
This could apply to a lot of vices and it would be because it helps them cope with life (in a ver optimistic view).
Still I never said they should stick to smoking cigarettes since I’ve not denied once that vaping seems to actually help those who want to quit, but I guess shifting the conversation to that side sounds better for you.
And what do you call mid, long-term? Because vaping has been around long enough to have people that have been doing it for almost 20 years.
Which is worrying, if it’s been around that long but it’s still unregulated and with no standard about which chemicals can be used and why, what material for the coil and temperature or what kind of filter to use… but hey, it’s better than smoking because we exchange smoke for aerosols… right?
I’m not against vaping to quit smoking, I think that’s great, I’m against singing praises for a product that’s mostly clouded by bro-sayings and marketing and low information sources (since all the comments that defend it are usually trust me, bro), BUT as we all know, if something is too good to be true it most likely isn’t.
Because, hey, I’m not without vices, I use a bong for cannabis from time to time (very rarely, as a copping mechanism), I looked into the dry-herb vapes but I didn’t like the part about the battery waste (yes, even if they can be replaced that’s one more battery to the trash when it fails to recharge) and the induction heaters are… stupidly expensive in my country (around $9,000MXN and more) and hard to find but… I couldn’t trust that people claimed it was vapor/steam because… well… you are heating dry-herb to the point it creates some sort of mist but… wtf is that mist? where the fuck is the water to make steam and call it vapor? Specially since we are talking about a herb that is consumed dried and curated/preserved on low/controlled humidity.
To date I have no idea, so I can’t really trust that vaping cannabis is less damaging ONLY because there’s no smoke… or they claim it isn’t smoke.
Smoking introduces a lot more chemicals than just nicotine. A lot of health hazards associated with smoking are from the smoke itself, not the nicotine. Vaping allows you to remove the smoke part of the equation. (Vaping also introduces a bunch of hazards on its own, but it’s still overall better than smoking)
Vaping also introduces chemicals of their own and honestly calling them vapes is also wrong because what you inhale might not be smoke but it is not steam/vapor since it might or might not use clean or infused water to make steam.
When it comes to quitting, then yes, I could agree vaping is better and seems to actually help people quit, but when we are talking about people who are just switching but don’t plan on quitting (which was the point I was addressing) I fail to see how going from toxic product A to toxic product B counts as an improvement, specially at this point when there’s not enough studies or a standard to keep them as safe as possible.
Why/how is it an improvement? They are just moving from one way to consume it to another.
Because different ways to consume have different health hazards.
I know… and it’s not exactly an improvement.
When they are not planning to quit (which was the point I was addressing), it doesn’t seem like an actual improvement.
It is, smoking is worse for your health.
How is that guy trying to actually argue that vaping is as harmful as smoking? What an insane thing to say.
I wasn’t, but assuming is easier than understanding
Compeling argument right there
Well the argument is the video you linked, I don’t have time to rewatch it but you can look in the sources:
https://sites.google.com/view/sources-vaping/
I suggest you watch the material you link in the future and I’ll point out that no one is arguing that vaping is safe, only less bad.
No, you people keep saying it’s better and an improvement, the video says that it is less bad as we know right now, but also adds that there hasn’t been enough studies to declare it as a fact or a standard to keep a minimum safety with all the chemicals used in them (like the filters on the cigarettes, they were added for a reason… And even with them cigarettes are terrible)
So I’m still waiting for a reason that addict A switching from smoking to vapes makes it better, since addict A don’t plan on quitting. On the short-term it might be better, but mid-term or long-term what is going on with the new toxins he will inhale?
Who’s “you people”?
And well yes, new health hazards will be discovered about vaping, there is no doubt about it. Just as new health hazards are still discovered about smoking. But as of our scientific knowledge right now it’s better, and it’s unlikely to shift because the main source of toxins has been eliminated: combustion. I’ve yet to see a source that says otherwise and you have no other way than to use the current knowledge to make a choice.
I don’t really see your point, why should people keep doing what we know to be worse?
And what do you call mid, long-term? Because vaping has been around long enough to have people that have been doing it for almost 20 years.
This could apply to a lot of vices and it would be because it helps them cope with life (in a ver optimistic view).
Still I never said they should stick to smoking cigarettes since I’ve not denied once that vaping seems to actually help those who want to quit, but I guess shifting the conversation to that side sounds better for you.
Which is worrying, if it’s been around that long but it’s still unregulated and with no standard about which chemicals can be used and why, what material for the coil and temperature or what kind of filter to use… but hey, it’s better than smoking because we exchange smoke for aerosols… right?
I’m not against vaping to quit smoking, I think that’s great, I’m against singing praises for a product that’s mostly clouded by bro-sayings and marketing and low information sources (since all the comments that defend it are usually trust me, bro), BUT as we all know, if something is too good to be true it most likely isn’t.
Because, hey, I’m not without vices, I use a bong for cannabis from time to time (very rarely, as a copping mechanism), I looked into the dry-herb vapes but I didn’t like the part about the battery waste (yes, even if they can be replaced that’s one more battery to the trash when it fails to recharge) and the induction heaters are… stupidly expensive in my country (around $9,000MXN and more) and hard to find but… I couldn’t trust that people claimed it was vapor/steam because… well… you are heating dry-herb to the point it creates some sort of mist but… wtf is that mist? where the fuck is the water to make steam and call it vapor? Specially since we are talking about a herb that is consumed dried and curated/preserved on low/controlled humidity.
To date I have no idea, so I can’t really trust that vaping cannabis is less damaging ONLY because there’s no smoke… or they claim it isn’t smoke.
Smoking introduces a lot more chemicals than just nicotine. A lot of health hazards associated with smoking are from the smoke itself, not the nicotine. Vaping allows you to remove the smoke part of the equation. (Vaping also introduces a bunch of hazards on its own, but it’s still overall better than smoking)
Vaping also introduces chemicals of their own and honestly calling them vapes is also wrong because what you inhale might not be smoke but it is not steam/vapor since it might or might not use clean or infused water to make steam.
When it comes to quitting, then yes, I could agree vaping is better and seems to actually help people quit, but when we are talking about people who are just switching but don’t plan on quitting (which was the point I was addressing) I fail to see how going from toxic product A to toxic product B counts as an improvement, specially at this point when there’s not enough studies or a standard to keep them as safe as possible.