Munich has some issues dealing with too many cars and illegal parking on the sidewalk is common.

The SPD mayor has the solution: change the law so that this rude habit becomes legal.

And what about pedestrians, people with wheelchair, strollers? I guess they’ll have to adapt.

Fuck cars!

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    Once you tacitly allow this everywhere with your “yes, but allow 1.6m” rule, you’ve just actually allowed it everywhere with no qualifiers. No one is going to get a tape measure out and verify when they park. When its utterly common, I doubt police or enforcement officers will check either except very sporadically, allowing it to happen 99% of the time.

    A “yes insane thing, but only when sane” law is always, always a give away to the insane thing.

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      No one is going to get a tape measure out and verify when they park.

      Dude clearly has no idea how autistic Northern Europe can be.

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      No one is going to get a tape measure out

      You clearly don’t know Germans. Yes they will. They already do. You’re not allowed to park within 5m of an intersection, which the people in charge of checking and giving tickets will absolutely measure. There are many other instances where distances are involved like this. They already carry a tape measure (or equivalent) for this exact reason. Adding one more case just fits the theme.

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        You clearly don’t know Germans. Yes they will.

        and yet, illegal parking on sidewalk is common place in Munich. How is it? (honest question)

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      Germans love a rule, love pea counting, and they will measure.

      Your insane argument doesn’t quite work for me when the mutual benefit of the practice was to provide ample space for fire trucks and ambulances on the roads. This is not a matter of the city just not giving a shit. They weighed their options.

      Another aspect that wasn’t touched upon in the article will also play into this: parking fines are a great way to get money into the city coffers. So it will probably pay off to get members of the Ordnungsamt - or the office of public order - who handle these things out in force armed with a tape measure and a camera and chi-ching for Munich’s revenue.

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        The “there will be more car fines” argument is directly disputed in the article. The city is making this change because people are mad about the current car fines. The “centerist” local goverment is siding with their far right on this matter.

        You think car fines going up is a selling point the city goverment is going to abuse? If anything, if the amount of fines goes up the law will just be relaxed more and more until its just whats its clearly set out to be : no actual pedstrian rule at all.

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          I see your point. I was thinking about fining just the assholes who obstruct sidewalks beyond the tolerated minimum. I think there is a middle way to make that work and maybe even turn a profit. But that’s not a great additional argument from me. It might need a federal regulation change. They could introduce a hefty fine for parking in such a manner that a wheelchair user could not safely use the sidewalk as a result. One can dream.

          I don’t follow your relaxed law logic. The law was not enforced before and would be more tightly enforced under this plan.

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        when the mutual benefit of the practice was to provide ample space for fire trucks and ambulances on the roads.

        This view weighs comfort of pedestrians against space for emergency vehicles and just takes it as granted that cars will and thus must be allowed to park there. It only asks “who do we discomfort with these cars” and not “can we stop discomforting people with all these cars”.

        How about: no parking where there isn’t enough room for emergency vehicles left and leave the sidewalk to the fucking pedestrians that deserve not just a 1,5m tunnel of steel and concrete but a sidewalk that is comfortable to use.

        Car owners shouldn’t be allowed to discomfort every pedestrian just because of their comfort of parking right in front of their house.

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          In principle, I agree with you. And do you know why hardly any city government can put this rigorous approach into practice? Because they will be voted out in the next election. Because car ownership is still high. Realpolitik applies here.