I heard recently this summary:
The US economy depends on two things:
- Steady growth in available jobs
- The bet on AI eventually pay off and replace all jobs with AI.
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Who will fight the war?
AI controlled drones directed by AI collected and analyzed signals intelligence.
So… Skynet.
And the Glob! She’s my favorite. That’s how Harry met Morbius!
Those who would kill to be employed.
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I think the capitalists have found a way to fight climate change. Significantly lower the population.
That would reduce profits significantly, and that’s the only reason they’d be against that.
I think they plan to suggest fucking more but what do I know? They forgot to make dinner.
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I guess you gotta break a few eggs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Has work set them free yet?
What about an american model? Give the dumbest people the most weapons and hope they’ll all kill each other.
Or even better, give them to kids and let them do some mas sshootings at schools. This would prevent unemployment in the first place.
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Sucks if you don’t wanna play though, same as it ever was I guess.
I got plenty of board games. Almost a hundred or so, like Firely and Dune too!
They don’t have a plan. It’s pigs at the trough.
Yup. The people pushing AI are not concerned with the social or economic reprocussions of pushing AI. They just want line go up.
The “Don’t Look Up” greed + willful ignorance will crush us all.
Excuse me. I grew up raising and breeding pigs I love. They were real. That isn’t. Like their evil, their money, their ego…
…and, Hey! Look at that. That’s the Necronomicon. It looks like Death isn’t too, soon, either!
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Businesses operate on three timescales. Monthly, quarterly and annually. Anything beyond that they’re not even thinking about.
When a company talks about long term strategy you can ignore everything they say after. It means nothing.
So AI can make them more money in the short term. They don’t understand the problem even if it’s right in front of them.
I feel this is always true for public companies, while there are some exceptions in private ones.
Yeah, I usually say “large organisations”. So it’s a good point.
Part of it is that corporations have decentralized and siloed ethical responsibility. It’s a lot of greased cogs.
From what I’ve noticed, with AI companies, it’s usually not “annual” but “annualized”, which is just an estimate. And it doesn’t seem like there are any rules to calculating that estimate, you can just grab the best 30-day period of operation, multiply it by 12 and claim millions in annualized revenue. And then they usually just sell to someone based on this estimation, since it’s almost never profitable to build something on top of existing infrastructure of the main players in this market and maintaining your own is just not feasible.
Anything beyond that they’re not even thinking about.
Every place I’ve had a white-collar office job, there’s been a 5-year plan. But the plan is typically a flippant and unrealistic goal, I suppose the purpose of which is to temporarily boost morale and to be a cult-like litmus test to see which employees can ignore reality.
Two of the more egregious examples: I worked in what was considered a medium sized company (maybe 30ish employees at the time). Management decided their 5-year goal was that we were going to grow large enough to own/build a skyscraper downtown. Another was at a relatively unknown regional retain chain that couldn’t even compete with Walmart whose 5 year goal was to become a household name around the world.
A lot of businesses operate at a 5-10 year time scale or more. Take all these AI datacenters being built. That takes a long time. You need to obtain planning permission from the local government. You need to buy the land, get all the utilities you’ll need to the site (they use a lot of water and electricity). You need to build the actual buildings. You need to put in an order for the computer hardware so it’s available when the building is done. You need to actually build the buildings.
Some of these can be done in parallel, but a lot can’t. You can’t lay out the electrical or cooling paths until the building is built. You can’t start installing racks until the electrical and cooling systems are in place. You can’t start installing servers until the racks are all ready. You can’t start connecting the servers and everything until all the electrical, cooling and networking setup is done. And, at every step there are going to be setbacks, especially when you’re building something new and innovative, and not just plopping down something you’ve built 100x before.
You are so correct. They will, in very short time now be more or less doing exactly what I suggested!
Have you ever met Capitalism™ ? The guy doesn’t really do long term plans
Oh they absolute do long term planning, but only in a very narrow scope.
Answer. They don’t fucking have a plan. At all.
And they don’t care. They care about profits now, not profits 5 years from now. That is a problem for future CEOs to solve.
Yep, need line to go up this quarter and the few following, no further planning needed.
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You pay me $10 to punch you in the face. I pay you $10 to kick me in the balls. We just increased our country’s GDP by $20.
I’d pay $5 to watch that. Hey, I think we have something going here.
My 401k has gotten up into the 5 digit range a couple times, but emergencies have required me to to drain it. Retirement is a dream I rarely harbor.
I’m working until the day I die. My mother fancies herself retired and rots away in a house she imagines she owns, but it has been property of the bank since before I was born in the 80s. A mortgage that was essentially renting with extra steps.
I’m just whining now, so I’ll stop.
It’s topical whining though, so it’s allowed
Sell to other billionaires ad nauseum. Let the rest of humanity starve. The usual kings and peasants model
That works if your company makes yachts, but not so well if your company makes fast food burgers.
Can we mage some Fast Food Yachts?
mage some Fast Food Yachts
Thank fuck they can’t mage shit!
You forgot they’re also whining about declining birth rate, and begging people to have more kids.
Something something infinite growth
force people to create more slaves, or just cattle.
The executives sell the corporate plane piece by piece while still in the air, then jump out in a golden parachute while the remains of the company nose dive to a fiery end.
This; look at how short-term they’re already thinking.
They will see the writing on the wall long before they actually have any genuine fear for business. And they’ll take the money and run, just like they already do now.
It is all a con. There is no endgame. They aren’t thinking that far ahead. And when the reality hits them it will land on them like a cartoon piano. They’ll never see it coming.
I mean some people have more money than ever to buy stuff. That’s the market that most of these things are being targeted to. Just consider everyone that isn’t extremely wealthy an obsolete product being phased out of production.
Keep restricting birth control and encouraging higher birthrates as early death numbers continue to climb in the U.S. due to a lack of safety regulations and overdoses.
Restrict what can be purchased using government aid to healthy options. Not bc you care about helping poor people to be healthy, but bc you know you might end up needing them for spare parts.
‘Horrifying’ mistake to take organs from a living person was averted, witnesses say
Natasha Miller says she was getting ready to do her job preserving donated organs for transplantation when the nurses wheeled the donor into the operating room.
She quickly realized something wasn’t right. Though the donor had been declared dead, he seemed to her very much alive.
“He was moving around — kind of thrashing. Like, moving, thrashing around on the bed,” Miller told NPR in an interview. "And then when we went over there, you could see he had tears coming down. He was crying visibly."
The donor’s condition alarmed everyone in the operating room at Baptist Health hospital in Richmond, Ky., including the two doctors, who refused to participate in the organ retrieval, she says.
"So the coordinator calls the supervisor at the time. And she was saying that he was telling her that she needed to ‘find another doctor to do it’ – that, 'We were going to do this case. She needs to find someone else,’ " Miller says. “And she’s like, ‘There is no one else.’ She’s crying — the coordinator — because she’s getting yelled at.”
Doctors Were Preparing to Remove Their Organs. Then They Woke Up.
Wow, that was a crazy rabbit hole to go down. Here’s another NYTimes article on the subject:
Not only do they mention multiple survivors, but one woman went on the make a full recovery!
Sickening stuff
It also helps that they don’t understand the reality of organ reception or being an irl cyborg. Anti rejection meds make you immunocompromised. Cochlear implants sound off and require extra mental effort to process compared to biological hearing (and have less true sound). Robotic arms are heavy and inconvenient to the point many prefer simple prosthetics.
Maybe someday we will have versions of some of these things that are genuinely equivalent to being abled. But I don’t know if I will live to see them.
There has been concern that China has been running medical exams on Uyghur prisoners in camps to find close matches for recipients and decrease chances of complications
Rogers noted one chilling possibility: that “murdered prisoners of conscience (i.e., Uyghurs held in detention camps)” could be a source of transplanted organs.
This suggestion becomes even more concerning when considering the extensive surveillance and repression that Uyghurs face in the region. Detainees in the many internment camps in Xinjiang have reported being subjected to forced blood tests, ultrasounds, and organ-focused medical scans. These procedures align with organ compatibility testing, raising fears that Uyghurs are being prepped for organ harvesting while in detention.
Wendy Rogers is an Australian bioethicist that has been researching forced organ transplants for a long time, so if she says there is reason to be concerned, I believe her https://researchers.mq.edu.au/en/persons/wendy-rogers
Make money and sell it off before it falls like a house of cards
People tend to forget how cheap gasoline is and how abundant glass bottles and rags are.
The masses aren’t smart enough for that, it’s too easy to distract them with some completely blameless minority group.
the sad part is that while immigrants are fine, immigration does disadvantage the people.
(this might seem nitpicking, but it’s like the difference between air and wind. One is a substance, the other one is the movement of it. It is the wind that can cause damage, not the air itself.)
If immigration did not actually harm the people, it would be simple to prove that and get over with it. But immigration does harm the people. If there’s immigration of 3 million people into a country with 300 million people, then you can expect that the Cost of Living (CoL) goes up by roughly 1% for everyone in the country, so there’s a small disadvantage, because the resources are shared among a greater group of people.
However, what’s important in the entire discussion is to keep in mind proportionality. I.e., people make a lot of ruckus about life getting 1% more expensive while at the same time, inflation-adjusted buying power of the people has been reduced more than 50% in the last 50 years. (Assuming same number of weekly hours worked per household.) I.e., wages have gone down a lot, more than fucking half in fact (that’s A LOT!!!). The reason is declining demand for human labor due to automation and such. That should be discussed, and the fact that we need higher taxes on the rich to pay for universal basic income.
In other words, we need proportionality in our discussion. It can’t be that a topic that influences our CoL by 1% gets 70% of our attention while a much more significant topic that influences our CoL by 50% gets only less than 5% of our attention. We need to shift the discussion more towards class issues and away from immigration issues, while acknowledging that immigration is still an issue. Just not the biggest issue.
Selective reasoning, mostly BS. If the COL goes up by 1% so does the productivity, and per worker productivity has been higher then wages in my country since the 70s. If you want to play a game of “the immigrants aren’t skilled or productive” I challenge you to work on a framing crew for one single day in Phoenix AZ. I see now looking at your user name that you’re in Germany- I acknowledge that the context is different there, however I’d be curious to see if the same logic holds true- I’d imagine it does albeit on a longer timescale, since your trades have an actual certification and training process even for lower echelons of workers. I would argue that immigration in general does not harm people, and that it is a grade-school logical fallacy unworthy of serious discussion to say that “if it were true, you could prove it easily.”
If the COL goes up by 1% so does the productivity
it does not. In the 19th and 20th century, the number of workers has been the limiting factor to economic growth, so your argument held true. However, time exists, and so does progress, and so you can’t assume that our current circumstance of everybody-has-a-job holds true in the future. It probably won’t be the case.
With the advent of automation and AI, some (white-collar) jobs will be lost to machines. But an even bigger amount of jobs will be lost due to the end of economic growth. It is economic growth that causes the majority of jobs, and if that ceases, so do the jobs. It’s like jobs are like the wind: If things stops moving, they stop existing (they turn into thin air). So unemployment might be a big problem in the future. Adding additional workers to that does not help the economy, but increases unemployment and rather harms everyone.
The masses aren’t smart enough for that, it’s too easy to distract them with some completely blameless minority group.
We don’t even need to burn stuff. We can turn the system into chaos by a mere general strike, like literally staying at home and not working or buying stuff for a few days, like really doing nothing and seeing the economic system crash. We don’t even need to be close to 100% of the population joining such a movement for it to work.
Woah, nobody said anything about burning. Those are just regular, easily obtainable household items. Of course there’s always, The Implication that something could might happen.
You’re totally correct. I just have a too fertile imagination. There’s nothing to see here, officer!
(Phew, hat one was too close. I will do better next time)
Wait, we don’t have gasoline, we only have solar panels now.
Vodka it is then.
Good idea. I’ll go get some ice.
No, wait.
Nah you got rid of solar and wind farms, some billionaires with oil companies made sure of that. There is still enough gas to fill the bottles, it’s just that they don’t make them out of glass anymore.
Has any research been done on of plastic bottle cocktails work?
try alcohol then
You definitely shouldn’t use a rag as a stopper for your glass bottle full of gasoline, especially if you might need to throw it away from you in the event the rag spontaneously combusts.
It would be much safer for the bottle to be sealed so the fuel inside doesn’t ignite until it’s further away from you.
But where else am I gonna store all my 1/4" ball bearings other than a glass bottle full of gasoline to keep them nice and clean? And the rag conveniently serves as a stopper and a way to dry the bearings if I ever need one.
But I gotta be carefull, the bearings can pop the bottle easily even if it hits something soft like a person.
It would definitely be safer to tape the rag to the outside so none of it spills. Maybe even oil the rag so it doesn’t get wet.
and who’s gonna fight for the people? I’m not gonna fight for a society where women think of me as an asshole/predator/whatever simply because i’m a man. if we ever get a civil war, women can defend themselves, no kidding, because i’m not gonna fight and possibly die for somebody who doesn’t see me as part of their community.
the social media story that men are all assholes was a scheme to divide the population (women vs. men), to sow distrust and prevent cohesion. and it worked like a charm, because the people are goddamn idiots.
Well, idk about all men, but you certainly sound like an asshole
I don’t think it was a scheme, just natural emergence from access to instant and global communication. There wasn’t a single point in time where people have been at tune with each other. There was always division into competing hierarchies, groups and social circles. Now it’s just happening on a global scale.
Also, if women and men are so divided, then how come there are still couples and marriages and children? Don’t base your entire global world view on your own very limited personal experiences.
And let’s not pretend people fight for somebody else. In reality the reasons for fighting aren’t that noble. You either get radicalized, have nothing better to do or nothing else to lose.
Social media by itself can’t divide people. People become divided when they start thinking and acting like you’re doing at this moment.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s
to sow distrust and prevent cohesion. and it worked like a charm, because the people are goddamn idiots.
Well it worked on you, so thats something.
I’m gonna say this one time, and you will probably ignore it and continue on as you were.
But maybe, you will reflect upon some part of it later.
I have been on a path that could have ended with an attitude like yours. The sad thing about it is when people tell you that you are creating you own perception that women at large think men are all assholes, or that women at large don’t think of you as part of their community, it probably really pisses you off. But you almost certainly are, and it’s by how deeply (or not) you are reading into things that touch on those issues, and how willing (or not) you are to set aside your feelings of being attacked to try seeing what is being said.
As one example, the bear thing a year or so ago sure pissed a lot of people off and I am pretty sure I hear echoes of that event (or something very similar) in your comment.
Choose for a moment not to feel victimized by it, and instead look at it like this:
Perhaps, it’s a sad commentary on the lived experiences of many women in this country which we all believe to be so safe that so many of them have experienced such a pervasive risk of sexual assault that they regard unknown men as potential threats. We’ve been calling ourselves the greatest nation on earth for as long as the nation has existed, yet in 2025 a huge percentage of our wives and daughters are unable to feel safe if a strange man is behind them in a parking garage.
Yes, it annoys me for a second when I am minding my own business and I can see that a woman has changed her behavior to keep me in view or stay ahead of me as if I’m going to do something to her when I know well and good I am not. I have never done that a single time in reaction to someone just minding their own business.
But then I realize, in 50+ years, I’ve had the luxury of never having felt that level of danger in my daily life. I don’t know what her reasons are. They might be stupid. But they might not. And I can’t really expect her to justify them to me.
So I figure, I hope someone else will help my wife or niece feel a little more comfortable in the same circumstance, and I try to make that annoying woman in front of me who wanted to have a little less fear feel a little safer if I can.
I’m not here to argue with you, just to paint what might be a slightly different picture.
Edited to add sentences I left out…
Edited again to add - are there asshole women who have decided that each and every man is a scumbag? Yes, yes there are. Just like there are asshole men who belittle womens’ issues, casually sexually assault them on the regular, and can be unpredictably violent.
Assuming all women are like the first group and using it as a justification for turning a blind eye to the effects of the second group is not a strong masculine position. It’s a position of avoidance and of shirking responsibility.
It’s likely if you’re a man who behaves a certain way. I am an older man who has had to assist quite a few women after various degrees of sexist assault. I have also worked closely with men who were victims of violence by women, but I am generally in agreement with people about the misogyny risk that is everpresent for women. Most guys have little idea how deep it runs.
And then we get this kind of whinging. Dude, fucking wake up.
I agree that assault and violence are grave problems, but that’s not what i’m talking about.
People are scared of each other and divided (which, if you think about it, is really the same thing) because they don’t try to understand each other’s situation. In other words, it’s empathy that’s lacking and that’s the more important issue than looking at the issues of women in isolation.
In other words, i would embrace if people tried to have more empathy in general (and this one isn’t targeted towards a specific group of people), instead of trying to make it a “women vs men” thing. If you make it a “A vs B” thing, you end up with division, which is arguably the opposite of what you want to achieve, which is a harmonious society.
Yes, people under stress, or more accurately the duress of a chronic, barely relenting, and ubiquitous threat, are going to be reacting defensively in a reflexive manner, and that sometimes, especially for people who aren’t emotionally intelligent, means that they are going to stereotype.
Frankly, it is important to remember that there is a lot of cognitive load, trying to figure out who is a threat and who is not.
So, please have compassion in this situation, and recognize that many of the people you see as stereotyping or painting “men” with a broad brush are dealing with a kind of PTSD. Once you keep that in mind, it’s a lot easier to have a thick skin, and with compassion can even help them see things more clearly without being oppositional.
The idea is just to get there first. If you make it one quarter before your competition then you get a a really good quarter.
Long terms plans don’t matter to CEOs. Long term stability is not rewarded by capitalism.
Also if they believe the outcome is inevitable in the near future it’s a certain kind of sensible to race to be first. It’s a variant on the prisoners dilemma where they can see each other racing to rat the others out in the hope that the first will get a discount on sentence length.
if ai replaces all jobs then there is no need to have money since everything will be available in abundance
This meme has been collectivized
Resistance is futile.
Replacing all jobs won’t create true abundance because the resources required to create things are finite, namely land and space in general. Without labour exchange the ones controlling the land have no reason to produce things for the average person who cannot provide them with anything in return. For a world with true abundance we’d need to eradicate greed, which I just can’t see happening.
Replacing all jobs won’t create true abundance because the resources required to create things are finite, namely land and space in general
We’ll have solved these problems though, space wise whether it be by reducing ones footprint down to practically nothing, with nanobots ensuring our bodies get fully taken care of or through expansion to other planets
Resource wise we’ll simply be using fully renewable resources, we’re talking end game here, all jobs are being done by computers, there is nothing left for us to do but have fun or babies? I duno what we’d do if all jobs were fully completed and there was literally no work left
It’s also difficult to say how these problems will be solved without coming across like “it’s the future!”
Paintings reveal what people in 1900 thought the year 2000 would look like
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/paintings-future-1900-2000-b1916391.html
I like those 1900s French drawings. They’re pretty steampunk.
Slavery.
Don’t forget mass murder either direct or indirect
