The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.
[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they’re masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.
At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.
The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.
Shame this doesn’t happen more often.
I’m surprised it hasn’t
Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.
I dunno. Depends on the agency, these days.
I hope the people directing ICE to mask up take notes of this. They won’t. If they do, they’ll take the wrong lesson from it.
No, the original statement was correct. Real law enforcement does not wear ski masks. Scared Nazi cosplayers wear ski masks.
Scared Nazi cosplayers wear ski masks.
And they are bestowed power above the justice system by the commander in beef
Wishful thinking is enticing
By all accounts, ICE are real law enforcement, with the power, and authority of the state to enact the will of the ruling class on us.
In other news two positions for ICE officers just opened up for the Huston area.
I was wondering where this would happen first. TX makes sense. They have more ICE than any other state.
Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.
Someone tell the fascist brownshirts that work for ICE that.
ISE doesn’t wear ski masks. They wear balaclavas. They’re totally different and easy distinguishable in the dark during high stress situations. /s
Id rather they didn’t.
Finally, some good wholesome news
Hole’some news indeed
I feel the headline should have noted that he shot in response to them shooting through his goddamn door first.
Journalistic reflex; cops are always innocent.
BREONNA TAYLOR, member her? Just a raid gone wrong
There have been do many stories of police botched a raid and killed people exercising their 2d Amendment rights in non-threatening ways. Typically the 2A nuts still rally around the cops.
I dont think it matters. The title conveys the idea that they weren’t police. I think you could claim self defense just by that. No one that wants you to open the door falsely claiming to be policie is NOT going to hurt you
It’s a huge difference. It may not seem different to you and I, but shooting someone who shoots you first is more universally viewed as acceptable self defense than only shooting people claiming to be police in skimasks on your doorstep. The headline buries the lede.
Quote "Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks. "
So law enforcement just went on record saying ICE agents with masks are not actually law enforcement.
this quote should form the basis of any defense arguments for future ICE shootings
I support this and agree.
I feel like if someone dressed up as ice and joined in a raid only to cause internal chaos could deeply hinder the operations of ICE as they all become suspicious of each other and lose trust in their team.
I have a prediction: the more professional and organized members of ICE would actually be foreign agents, causing problems at key points. Say, for example, “vanishing” unfriendly politicians. ICE is the perfect cover: Low recruitment standards, no regulation, bounties for those times you need to get money, and no one able to ask questions.
It would be the chaotic and unprofessional members of ICE that are native to the USA. Those would be just into ICE for the money and racism, not patriotism to their nation. This will become a “Lions Led by Donkeys” episode in a decade or two.
Why would you think it’s only foreign agents who would use ICE as cover to disappear politicians they don’t like?
I don’t. However, it is the most obvious way for other nations to attack America without drawing attention. Hopefully, the same vulnerability would also allow the John Browns of our time to crack open concentration centers from the inside.
Why would they need to be ‘foreign’(
It’s so badly organised and chaotic anyway they wouldn’t even notice
Fair point. My girlfriend is Irish and compared them to the black and tans.
They wear neck gaiters.
Probably realised they weren’t real police because they knocked rather than just kicked his door in and shot his dog.
Thanks for the advice, the next assassin team we send will just skip the door knocking.
HPD Detective Kyle Stringer told Choi… that real officers do not wear ski masks.
🤔
Detective Stringer doesn’t watch the news.
Detective Stringer makes a well calculated statement about his stance on ICE.
Sounds like he could be having an awakening.
Hope his brothers don’t turn on him.
Hope the homeowner is acquitted of any wrongdoing or damages in court.
It’s texas. He’ll probably get a medal or something from his local law enforcement and a round of talk shows on fox if the colors line up with what fox likes/doesn’t like.
I’m from the area. It all depends on how white and Republican you are. They stack the Grand Juries with “respectable members” of the community (white, male business owners typically) who no-bill white folk for killing minorities.
In a very public case, a white small business owner/homeowner shot 2 unarmed minorities in the back, killing both as they fled a neighbor’s house. They never stepped on the killer’s property and never threatened anyone. The homeowner called 911 and said he was going to kill them and get away with it. The operator said not to shoot and to go inside because police were just seconds away, and he killed them anyway.
The grand jury refused to let the prosecutor take the case to trial because killing black people is a public benefit in their eyes.
So the families of the victims sued the killer, and the state responded by outlawwing civil suits over any case involving a firearm that didn’t first include a felony conviction.
This is actually why Texas is great and Joe Horn did nothing wrong. You can’t trust the police, but I absolutely trust my neighbors.
When a cop says a minority wasn’t charging somebody when they got shot to death, I am more likely to believe him.
And let’s not forget that the police department chose not to arrest him because he was a white business owner. If Horn had been black, he’d have been killed on the scene or executed in Huntsville.
So I looked up the case for anyone’s edification what happened is 2 pieces of human garbage were robbing his neighbor and running away with bags of their valuables. Aside from being robbers they had criminal convictions in Columbia for drug trafficking.
When confronted by the shotgun wielding neighbor the dangerous drug trafficking robbers refused his order for them to stop and one ran onto the neighbor’s yard TOWARDS the shotgun wielding neighbor and the other ran away. He shot both.
Quoth the shooter
Horn, to dispatcher: “I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice.”
Because of this the rest of the neighborhood wasn’t victimized by drug dealing robbers breaking into their houses. Nobody ultimately had a run in with scumbags because someone was home when the robbers thought the place was empty. Nobodies family members got murdered to avoid leaving witnesses. Nobodies sanctity got violated.
But don’t worry the New Black Panthers protested the scumbags deaths and threatened the fellow making their entire side look deranged and unreasonable when there are plenty of bad shoots by trigger happy cops perpetrated against actually innocent victims they could have been focusing on.
The shooter told 911 they were coming at him, after basically saying he wanted to go kill them. The police officer who witnessed the killing said they were fleeing and that he shot them in the back.
I’m not some anti-gun dude. I own over 50 guns and used to work in the industry.
But that motherfucker should be in jail. Non-violent criminals don’t deserve the death penalty - least of all from some psycho neighbor who has a hard-on for violence and essentially announces his intent to kill before going outside and killing.
Why are you trusting the police on this? Fuck the police or not?
I don’t care. I don’t care if drug dealers robbing people got shot. I’m on balance a little happier that they got whacked because they literally represent a threat to people like myself and my family whereas I will never have to worry about getting shot robbing people.
This definitely shows a lot of perspective, thank you!
I really wish people looked at these cases more objectively, considering the humans involved and not simply:
“How can I paint this to forward my narrative obsession of the moment?”
It’s like our entire society is based around social media clout farming. I know weaponized reporting is nothing new, but sheesh.
I wouldn’t feel I had much choice either, if someone who just robbed a neighbor was charging at me in the dark. Suddenly after the fact, the internet is chock full of experts in ballistics and self defense law.
But you’re right, it definitely defeated a future threat to the neighborhood residents. I haaaaate suburban Rambo Nextdoor toughguys as much as the next reasonable person, but this doesn’t sound like that.
There’s plenty of systemic issues to tackle around crime, but breaking into peoples’ homes to loot and potentially harm them is always a choice carrying a significant weight of FAFO.
Saying non-violent burglars and drug users deserve to die because Joe really wanted an excuse to kill isn’t exactly objective.
The only witness to the killing was a plainclothes officer who said he shot people in the back while fleeing.
Stealing shit isn’t a capital offense. As a society, we decided long ago that even a judge and jury can’t kill someone for burglary. Why is it okay when the psycho neighbor who isn’t even a victim does it?
Breaking into a home isn’t non-violent. People break into places that they THINK are empty all the time or have the victims come home during the robbery all the time. If they keep doing this they will with 100% certitude come into direct conflict sooner rather than later. Furthermore the act of violating someone’s home is inherently a violation. Your argument is like saying rape is non-violent if nobody fights back.
Breaking into a home isn’t “non-violent.”
Damn, that’s all incredibly fucked up
It appears that it wouldn’t speak to cases that were never brought it would only immunize them if the grand jury is sought and declines to indict OR the case is dismissed rather than requiring a conviction to bring the suit.
This means they can’t opt out of liability by ignoring the case. This doesn’t appear on its face to be bad law. If Texan’s decline to indict when they ought to then that not the law is the issue.
Likewise if its even possible to stack the jury that again is the problem not the law.
No. It applies to all civil suits regarding gun crime.
It effectively raises the standards of civil suits when guns are involved, which are not supposed to be the same as criminal.
Good. If you aren’t guilty, you shouldn’t have any liability what-so-ever. if anything, once declared not-guilty (or the case never make it to court) any further pursuit of the victim should result in criminal harassment charges. Leave the victims alone, even if they are white.
If the neighbor backs into your car, should you be able to pursue damages if the person who hit you isn’t sent to prison?
Because if, instead of running into your car, the neighbor had accidentally shot it while unloading their rifle for cleaning, you can’t sue them if they aren’t imprisoned.
Absolutely not. I have state mandated insurance and while the regulations around insurance are fucked up, the insurance company should pay for my claim, then they can look at their legal options for reclaiming damages. If someone “accidentally” shoots a gun, that is negligence and the outcome of that action may result in criminal action, if it does, then sure let me file a civil case if it doesn’t, then again I have insurance.
If someone breaks into a home, they have committed violence against me and my family, and in a tight-knit community I’d expect neighbors to respond in-kind and help a member of that community from being victimized.
as they fled a neighbor’s house
Were they leaving a neighbors house or were they in fact fleeing from robbing the neighbors house.
They had been burglarizing the neighbor’s empty house and were leaving.
That isn’t worth killing over.
I think it is worth killing. The world is a slightly better place for every such person who gets killed.
Stuff is never more valuable than human life, and you have no idea what material conditions led to this behavior.
In a vacuum that is correct. But material conditions must never lead to random act of violence for selfish gains, it frays the threads of society and leads to a worse outcome for everyone. If you are hungry, go steal from walmart, go rob a bank, don’t break into someone’s home, you don’t know (and obviously don’t care) about the circumstances of your victim, so why should a society extend you the same courtesy?
If it was cops or ICE, everything else the same, they would definitely be in custody on a $100 million bond and charged with murder and terrorism.
I’d say you’re right, but the kidnappers were cops.
Yeah not offilicially, but they had masks and guns and ill intent and were claiming the titled, so cop unions will pressure prosecutors to go hard.
So long as he’s not brown or poor.
The solution is more guns don’t you know!
Yes, it is. Being able to return fire ended this.
Good for the homeowner. Any “law enforcement officer” who hide their faces and wont show ID are probably acting criminally and they should not be tolerated by society.
Good. Keep your home safe. I’m not big on how guns are handled in the US, but your home is your home, and law enforcement must be clearly identifiable.
