• MotoAsh@lemmy.world
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    No, people who sherk their humanity, willingly and emphatically, do NOT deserve to be humanized. Yes, we need to remember they are humans, but they are terrible people who choose to be terrible. Only a fucking moron or a fellow terrible person thinks they deserve to be treated better than they treat others.

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      That’s the excuse for Hamas to commit terrorist acts on Israel. It’s also the excuse for Israel to commit the worst war crimes of this century by far. Lowering yourself to the level of the enemy makes you just as bad. Be better.

      I think very little of them, I’m disgusted by them, I hate them with everything I’ve got, but I will not dehumanize them or justify crimes against humanity against them. No matter whether they would do that to me. They deserve consequences for their behavior. They need to be sentenced for their crimes. Legally, democratically, within the law. If we don’t, how are we any different? They think they are better humans than others, you know, like the nazis. Untermenschen. If you’re not a nazi, fascist or racist, you won’t dehumanize others.

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        No matter who it is, people need to realize who are defending themselves and who are going out of their way to commit offenses. When it comes to politics, people conveniently forget bad people DO exist, on all sides.

        It DOES NOT MATTER what is currently going on in the world. It DOES NOT MATTER if they claim to be humans. It DOES NOT MATTER if you want to continue calling them humans.

        What you need to learn is… these are humans who willingly betray the humanity you claim to want to defend… yet you continue to defend them, all in the name of some childish idea of “justice”.

        I agree things should be done legally where possible. What you need to learn is the law is not good! It doesn’t create justice. It doesn’t create peace. They’re just rules people are supposed to follow, good or bad.

        What DOES matter, is people like you constantly running interference for literally and directly evil people. Stop equating people defending themselves with people who want to commit the offenses. There is a HUGE difference between someone doing something bad to defend their own freedom, and someone who wants to go out of their way to remove someone else’s freedom.

        You can treat them as humanely as you want. What you NEED to learn is… they are enemies of the humanity you want to protect! Literally, directly, enemies of humanity. Why do you insist on equating them with people on defense?

        This is a topic about literal nazis, remember. Why do you equate people calling Nazis sub-human with nazis, when nazis are the ones who DIRECTLY AND WILLINGLY betray humanity? Why are you failing to defend humanity?

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      Whether they deserve it or not, I won’t dehumanize them; because I don’t want to become someone who dehumanizes others.

      I will certainly fight them, I will resist them, but I will not consider them anything but human.

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        Being a human is very, very different than having humanity. People need to realize these are humans … who willingly betray their humanity.

        They are literally and directly enemies of humanity, who need to be treated as such.

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          Right - fight them! Resist them! But do not let them push you into being inhuman yourself.

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            22 hours ago

            If even namecalling is too much for you, then you do not, in fact, understand how to defeat horrible people, let alone fascists destroying humanity.

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              21 hours ago

              I’m not talking about name-calling. Go hog wild with that, it seems fairly effective.

              I’m talking about dehumanizing them. Deciding that any means that will end them is justified. Treating them like feral animals. Harvesting their organs for profit, like outhouseperilous suggested further up. That’s what I’m pushing back on.

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                While the organ harvesting is a bit much, you must realize how utterly asinine and inept being against violence is when the target is openly vile people who choose to betray humanity.

                Yes, we must always keep context in that these people are bad because they CHOOSE to betray humanity, but remembering context is wholly different than deciding to go against proven means for defeating this hateful, anti-humanity ideology…

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                  Who’s arguing against violence? I’m saying don’t dehumanize them. Humans are quite capable of being monstrous and horrible all on their own.

                  Absolutely fight back against the fascists! My grandad did, and I think he’s a fine example to follow. He didn’t have to treat them as something other than people to do that, though. He just treated them as the enemy they were.