Image finally uploaded. Sorry about that.
[Edit. Fixed the headline a bit, due to my poor phrasing]
photograph of monitor
pressing Print Screen
Does OP know about screenshots (Print Screen key or WindowsKey-Shift-S which brings up Snipping Tool) or alt text? 🤦
Right. And then you take a picture of the printout of the emailed PDF on a wooden table, we know the old ways.
ShareX is the way
I wonder if it’s an early response to the talk of breaking up Google and Chrome. MS gets more people onboarded to Edge and Google still gets your browser level metrics.
I don’t really understand the issue here. Why does anyone care if you can sign into Google services on Edge?
Because my precious data bellyachers & tinfoil hatters basically.
Am I the only one who wonders how to get this in Edge? I like my shit integrated.
I doubt that
I wouldn’t be surprised if Google doesn’t consent to any of this
True or not, I’m one email away from total freedom.
Just wonder about anti spam measures.
True or not, I’m one email away from total freedom.
uh can you expand on this?
I have 1 gmail, and their anti spam has usually been very effective, I have to find some other email with an effective anti spam before jumping the boat.
do you have another email like proton or just your Gmail
Yeah 1 proton which is very clean but I use it only for serious things, I need another one for all the “daily crap”.
good
ah thank you for the expanded info. I’m in a similar situation and would like alternatives…
People will complain about everything, but never just switch to Firefox, huh? You can’t be helped then. There is just the one browser (and a couple of forks of it).
Often people have jobs which involve computers, which force them to use whatever software the 90 year old running the company thinks is appropriate.
That wouldn’t help anything since the problem is Microsoft forcing Edge
To put it into perspective: if Leibniz was right and this is truely the best of all worlds, be happy that you don’t live in any of the other, more shittier timelines. Like the one where Apple sells monitor stands for $1000. Oh, wait…
Booted my desktop since my work computers windows and I game mostly on my steam deck, and holy shit is Manjaro fast as hell compared to windows in 2025. Like I’m so used to clicking and waiting and in Manjaro you click and it’s just there.
Man fuck windows.
Yeah, just started using W11 for work and it’s insane how often I need to wait for character to buffer in after I typed something.
I shouldn’t be faster than my computer in this day and age, and yet here we are.
I’m currently horrified how my (IT illiterate) employer said we need to update all our 20+ laptops to Win11 now. Consumer laptops that barely run Win10.
To be clear, I’m not the IT guy here, though I do sometimes help out.
You do though. W10 EOL is October, and you’re not gonna move to Linux, sadly.
Edge has been Chromium based for a while now. Hell, a lot of the 365 stuff will only work in Edge or Chrome.
It’s wild how corporations are so openly cool with paying license fees to give everything away to Microsoft.
I would have told them to pound sand as soon as they tried to push the 365 and Azure shit if I was a business.
a lot of the 365 stuff will only work in Edge or Chrome.
Can you give a few examples?
Anecdotally, I use 365 on Firefox at work and haven’t noticed browser specific issues yet.
Trying to sign into work stuff will throw MCAS unless I’m in Edge or Chrome.
This isn’t cooperation, this is rivalry. The point is for you to use Edge instead of Chrome.
Just another skirmish in the war for what matters most: which tech-giant is the default choice.
You mean, chromium-based browser vs. chromium-based browser?
I know, it’s about data mining (don’t call it telemetry), but still. Funny. I bet they didn’t even remove all Google links from the source code.
Yeah exactly this. But the bandwagon has left the station at this point.
which tech-giant is the default choice
Meanwhile, on Lemmy, I suffer under the tyranny of Big Penguin
Big penguin is no joke. Just last week a penguin busted down my front door and forced me to compile my own kernel from source!
I use Gentoo, btw.
Yes, I build the kernel myself.
Did he have a beard?
Did he tell you he used Arch?
Arch users rarely compile their own kernels, silly.
I use Arch btw.
Heyoo!
They don’t want you to know you can just take the source code home, they can’t arrest you.
I’m sure that’s an end goal here, but logging into a Google account through Edge, integrates it into the Windows OS. Sort of like (but not as intensely as) logging into a Microsoft account through Edge. So, while, yes, it’s end goal is through rivalry, the method is a partnership.
You log into your Google account so Microsoft can take your browser data into Edge, especially the bookmarks and passwords parts so that you automatically sign in to your favourite websites, when in Edge. Microsoft also offers to copy data from your Chrome profile (on your computer, do not signing in to Google) on a periodic interval, so that any new data that comes in Chrome (bookmarks etc.) shows up in Edge. The whole deal is that Microsoft copies your Chrome experience into Edge so you won’t notice that Microsoft in a random update changed your default browser to Edge again. Google don’t want this as it’s only Microsoft that stands to gain anything from this. Microsoft is using all kinds of tactics to gain more users to Edge and hope these users will use to Bing to search.
I’m not sure it’s a partnership. It looks and reads like the standard authorized data sharing setup. Anyone can configure that. It uses an open protocol that’s standardized, let’s users control the information shared with explicit consent and is basically what you want out of any entity that holds all your crap. The only thing it’s really lacking is a standard protocol for sharing the actual data.
Linux distributions have it.
Microsoft using Google’s public documented API is a long way from a partnership.
Edge is a Chromium browser. This is the standard Chrome sync stuff from nearly every one of those.
Microsoft is is bed with Google now,
[Edit. Fixed the headline a bit, due to my poor phrasing]lol
A solution is not to use any product, service or software made by MS or google.
Not a choice in most business settings. Windows servers, Microsoft cloud, Windows workstations, and a 365 to complement. You have a better, equally integrated solution? Because, if so, I’d love to hear it.
Edit. I’m being serious. I’d love to hear it. If it meets the needs of my employer, I’ll pitch it. I have some pull. Who knows… it may work.
You have a better, equally integrated solution?
I mean, we do. Linux OS, Libre Office, Apache servers, Linux Cloud Service of Choice, PostgreSQL.
But you need techs familiar with those systems and businesses eager to implement Linux at a foundational level early on in the company’s development. Because a lot of businesses outsource their IT early on, and because a lot of end-user hardware has Microsoft pre-installed, and because the major IT outsourcers all get big kickbacks from Microsoft to be the default solutions, and because Microsoft has embedded itself at the university level at a global scale, and because Microsoft has successfully lobbied itself as the premier US contractor of choice for federal and state IT setups, it can be harder to find professionals willing and able to configure a Linux environment. This is assuming the company founders even think to ask for alternatives.
That’s not to say it never happens. FFS, some of the biggest competitors to Microsoft - Amazon and Google most notably - have relied on Linux/PostgreSQL architecture to keep their overhead low and their integrations non-exclusive. But they’re exceptional precisely because they laid the groundwork early.
The problem isn’t that integrated solutions don’t exist. The problem is that most CTOs don’t embrace them early on in the company’s development and find themselves trapped in the Microsoft ecosystem well after the point a transition would be easy.
Some of your emphasis is a little backwards. In the cloud computing environment, Amazon is bigger than Microsoft, and windows isn’t even particularly significant. Azure primarily provides Linux infrastructure instead of Windows. AWS is bigger in the government cloud sector than Microsoft.
For servers, Linux is hands down the os of choice. It’s just not even close. Where Microsoft has an edge is in business software, like Excel, word, desktop OS and exchange. Needing windows server administrators for stuff like that is a pain when you already have Linux people for the rest of your stuff which is why it gets outsourced so often. It’s not central to the business so no sense in investing in people for it.
Microsoft isn’t dominating the commercial computing sector, they’re dominating the office it sector, which is a cost center for businesses. They’re trailing badly in the revenue generation service sphere. That’s why they’ve been shifting towards offering their own hosting for their services, so you can reduce costs but keep paying them. Increased interoperability between windows and Linux from a developer standpoint to drive people towards buying their Linux hosting from them, because you can use vscode to push your software to GitHub and automatically deploy to azure when build and test passes.
Being on the cost side of the ledger is a risk for them, so they’re trying to move to the revenue side, where windows just doesn’t have the grip.
I’m transitioning my (very small) office to OnlyOffice and OwnCloud this summer. I have a lot of autonomy so I can basically just make the decision.
I’m choosing OnlyOffice over LibreOffice because it’s a more similar to 360 an I will have to help the staff with very little tech literacy through the transition.
We’re not ready to transition the OS just yet (and may not be able to), but as the hardware ages, we may change over some of the less essential systems. Probably Ubuntu or Zorin.
Very cool! I hope it’s a successful change.
Look into onlyoffice. Last I heard, it was Russian based software, so it might be risky. It might not be, though.
It’s main development is in Russia and some people have a problem with that, but the code is open, so it seems far fetched that there is anything malicious in there. I’m not an expert by any means, though.
I’m with you. I use it on the iPad. But a part of me is a little cautious. I don’t think the devs would do anything nefarious, but Russia is Russia.
The integration is Microsoft’s monopoly behaviour which anti-trust organisation no longer put a stop to. There are alternatives but they struggle to match the level of integration Microsoft can achieve owning and making all of the office suite.
However European local and regional government have been moving over to Office alternatives such as Collabora, Onlyoffice and Libreoffice. Collabora & Onlyoffice are particularly designed for online use and collaboration.
There are also alternatives to the Exchange email system, with Nextcloud one of a few that can either be bought as a service or self deployed by organisations and individuals.
The biggest benefits are total control and privacy of data, plus better cost. Microsoft clients don’t generally get any of this, with the increasing push to integrate online services and try to forcably up-sell by bundling in stuff customers don’t need but have to buy to get the things they want or need. Microsoft rely on inertia and vendor lock-in; once you become dependent on their services it makes it seem impossible to get out and move to a new system.
You’re the employee? Why would it matter to you what they use? Do your job, go home.
For many reasons. One of which is that I still have to use it, and enter my PII into it. If I can convince them to use less of these, why not do that?
How can we be sure this is genuine? I can see there is an opt out option. Thats very unMicrosoft like
😭
What’s the opt-out? “Continue without”? Same options as the ms account screen before it.
Try and continue without a Microsoft account when installing windows 11
Possible on pro (at least, for now). But, not on home last time I checked (which, admittedly, has been about a year). My daily non-work computer is not, and will never be, windows. But work is work.
What am I missing, hasn’t this been around for like months and months now?
Came to 11 pro during last week’s updates.
Linux Mint + Vivaldi. Sorted.
That’s exactly what I’m typing this on.
Mint yes*, Vivaldi no.
* if it comes preinstalled. 99% of device owners would be overwhelmed by doing that themselves.