This type of meme isn’t helpful when people already think the Dem Party isn’t for working class people and elites only lol. Trump listened to people issues about material needs even if he lied. It still worked. Harris and Dems went on the whole time not addressing issues with the economy. Adopting a real working class agenda and free college would do wonders and putting resources to getting the crazy folk away from Education.
Ever been to MA?
Crapton of working class people there. I mean a lot. It is possible to have top-tier education and health care yet have working class people in the same State.
Being a rural state does not by default equate to “working class”. If anything it probably means more people per capita on government assistance or in poverty.
Working classes don’t need healthcare or education? Quality of life is irrelevant? A strong economy doesn’t matter? One of the highest minimum wages doesn’t affect working class? I
Free college (depending on income)doesn’t matter?
It’s probably more like no one has helped us improve our healthcare / education / quality of life, so we’ll take a gamble on someone different.
Misses the actual pain points. These are good things objectively but these are not the things that people want change
Maybe we’re learning that democracy fails when the people vote for the things they want over things that they objectively need.
And yet people in Massachusetts generally elected not to change. Maybe not as big a majority as expected, but by a solid amount. Maybe all it takes is paying attention to healthcare, education, quality of life, free college, etc. maybe we have at least one model and all we have to do is follow it, instead of negativity and blaming mysterious pain points that you never actually identify
i think you’re missing their point. the working class does want these things, but the meme reinforces the idea that the dems only take care of the rich.
How? Does Massachusetts not have working class people in it? Is it a state comprised entirely of the wealthy?
im not saying i agree with this interpretation. just that the meme reinforces an erroneous causal relation depending on the bias of the reader. im dont know these places very well, but im used to seeing govenrments treating lower class neighborhoods with less attention. its a common perception.
“the people” seem to want to change ‘THEYRE SEATING THE CATS, THEYRE EATING THE DAWWGS’…so, fk if “the people” know what they want.
No it doesn’t. Massachusetts is full of working class people.
I think you might be confusing cause and effect here. Perhaps the people in MA are “rich” (I would say, doing well. There are tons of working class people in MA, they’re just not necessarily living in squalor) because the dems took care of them. Almost as if we have tons of data backing this up… That Democrats consistently do these types of things, while Republicans constantly walk them back.
Are Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh not “working class” cities? I think there are a whole lot of people who would like a word with you for writing them off.
Almost as if working class people don’t have to be stupid.
Second in American health care. …
Obviously. What else would it be when comparing two American states.
a decent amount of americans seem to think they are the global best in every category so probably not obvious enough even.
I hate having to explain this to people when I talk about the insane cost of healthcare in the US.
“but US healthcare is the best so of course it’s going to be the most expensive”
No, you moron. It’s the exact same procedure by equally qualified doctors using the same equipment.
meanwhile here it’s generally not expensive, but we can’t seem to come up with a reasonable way for foreign doctors to gain canadian credentials and continue to have waits anywhere from hours to coming the next day instead
Maybe they voted against the incumbent so overwhelmingly because things are hard.
People vote based on their feelings.
When they were feeling pain, the message from the Dems was about how great the economy was, but the reality is that the stock market and GDP don’t speak to the quality of life of these people. To them the Dems saying how great things were was dismissive of their real concerns.
Meanwhile, Trump latched onto their fears and concerns. Yeah, his policies are idiotic, and millions will suffer and be in worse shape. But when they said they couldn’t pay the mortgage or buy groceries, he listened. The Democrats didn’t because they’ve abandoned the working class that should be their backbone.
Maybe they voted against the incumbent
I wouldn’t be so confident about assigning such motivation.
They haven’t been unanimous in the counties all those times.
So then the trend is getting reder with time then? I don’t see your point.
It’s not saying 100% of people always vote red. But the majority have for a VERY long time.
Yes. it got redder across the country this election.
But the point, for this population and this meme, is that they have consistently voting in the same people and the results they have received are similarly consistent, and they keep voting that way.
Yes broadly there’s been a “vote out the incumbent”, but this illustrates why that’s misguided, as it illustrates the different results of two states with consistent policies for each party.
Not even just consistently, the person accidentally made the point for them that they’ve actually gotten more red over that time. So they’ve somehow kept convincing more people to vote for them despite them never doing a thing to help them.
Again, not really sure what point your trying to make?
When an entire country shifts away from a party, it means the party is doing something to drive them away. Trump is the worst candidate in the history of the country, yet he’s won 2 elections. Why is that?
It’s because the Dems have abandoned the economic policies that formed the heart of their party and lost the working class vote they’ve relied upon since the Depression.
Well that and the fact Trump has a cult of personality that will only disappear when he dies.
In that one case, they’re a pretty consistent electorate. The general sentiment across America and around the globe since the post-pandemic inflation crisis began has been anti incumbent, which is why we see a lot of changed governments and populist uprisings now.
Sounds like making an avg citizen feel heard was the Trump card
The audacity!
You can’t come at these people with facts.
Damn, did know that. Carry on Massachusetts and the Oklahomans fail to learn and continue to eat shit.
CHADachusetts completely topping Cucklahoma
Jokelahoma
Butcher knife is always gonna lose to hand pistol.
I prefer toe pistol, myself. No one ever expects it.
Uh…Hawaii? West Virginia? Rhode Island?
These are also states, yes.
When plebeians do something that makes sense to them, but not to him, the “Intellectual Yet Idiot” uses the term “uneducated”.
- Nassim Taleb, Skin in the game
Now do healthcare and quality of life
The hidden costs of health care are largely in the denial of antifragility. But it may not be just medicine—what we call diseases of civilization result from the attempt by humans to make life comfortable for ourselves against our own interest, since the comfortable is what fragilizes.
Less Is More
For instance, a small number of homeless people cost the states a disproportionate share of the bills, which makes it obvious where to look for the savings. A small number of employees in a corporation cause the most problems, corrupt the general attitude—and vice versa—so getting rid of these is a great solution. A small number of customers generate a large share of the revenues. I get 95 percent of my smear postings from the same three obsessive persons, all representing the same prototypes of failure (one of whom has written, I estimate, close to one hundred thousand words in posts—he needs to write more and more and find more and more stuff to critique in my work and personality to get the same effect). When it comes to health care, Ezekiel Emanuel showed that half the population accounts for less than 3 percent of the costs, with the sickest 10 percent consuming 64 percent of the total pie.
- Nassim Taleb, Antifragile
If democrats are so smart why did they lose the election
It’s not an aptitude test.
Me when I cherry pick.
What is Oklahoma ranked higher than Massachusetts in? Show us your favorite cherries please
There couldn’t be any other factors at play here, it’s clear as day. Red is bad and blue is good.
Stellar work, truely impressed. I can tell whoever whipped this up is highly educated and well respected. What a gift.
In case you’re wondering why you’re getting down voted, it’s because you didn’t even offer up a valid argument and instead engaged in ad hominem, which is a logical fallacy.
I get that correlation does not necessarily mean causation, but if the richest states are almost all blue and the poorest ones almost all red, that is a very strong correlation and trying to claim it is insignificant only makes you seem the fool.
You seem to be intelligent. Ask yourself why this post made you so upset.
You really didn’t have to throw in the “seem to be intelligent” part but that very conscientious of you.
I’ll go ahead and fix it for you though and be the asshole.
In case you’re wondering why you’re getting down voted, it’s because you didn’t even offer up a valid argument and instead engaged in ad hominem, which is a logical fallacy.
I get that correlation does not necessarily mean causation, but if the richest states are almost all blue and the poorest ones almost all red, that is a very strong correlation and trying to claim it is insignificant only makes you seem the fool.
You seem to be intelligent.Ask yourself why this post made you so upset.I appreciate your input, but I’m not confused. The post and the comments are something I’d expect to see on reddit, mostly pathetic. Not a whole lot of critical thinking, oversimplification of complex topics, drawing conclusions to dunk on the “poorly educated”, nevermind the vast differences between the states that could better account for the results being associated in the meme.
Im don’t mind the 👎 I’m not here for a W by this crowd.
Who said bad and good? Those are words that you brought to this thread.
The term “poorly educated” not supposed to be interpreted as bad? The sad dog by Oklahoma not supposed to be interpreted as bad? The point of the stats are to show relative good bad based on some metrics, not to be interpreted as good or bad?
If I’m misunderstanding the post maybe others are as well, why don’t you do us all a favor and explain it so that we can better understand.
I hate Republicans too, they’re selling the whole country for parts, but this meme sucks.
First of all, “all counties were red/blue” is not what “unanimous” means.
Second of all, I don’t think “ha ha your state is poor” is the grand slam argument you think it is.
I mean, take a second to look into why red states are poor.
And the only reason their state and local governments are able to remain solvent…
These states would collapse completely without the largesse of the federal government (funded by blue states) if they ever seceded.
First of all, “all counties were red/blue” is not what “unanimous” means.
I agree with you there.
Second of all, I don’t think “ha ha your state is poor” is the grand slam argument you think it is.
Takes a lot of mental gymnastics to boil down all the listed differences as “state is poor”. Unless you mean “poor” as in “in bad shape” and not “economically suffering”. I’ll assume you mean the former as that’s the only way your argument makes sense.
I think it’s more about how a state is voting against its own interests. There is NOTHING about the Republican platform that would improve any of the listed metrics. If anything, Republican politics would only further worsen an already bad state of affairs.
And of the off chance your initial argument was entirely economic, it’s Democrats who want federal government involvement to help poor states.
There is NOTHING about the Republican platform that would improve any of the listed metrics.
They can make those metrics in other states worse.
LOL. You’re right, if they make Massachusetts worse than Oklahoma then Oklahoma’s ranking would improve! I never thought about that. BRILLIANT!
We are pretty poor here.
Massachusetts is fucked. Only a good place to live if your very well off or a career welfare recipient.
Go back to your kapusta.
Am I supposed to know wtf that is?
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if living in russia taught me anything, people in distress reduce themselves (and got reduced) to the most basic questions, like who is to blame, and populists have them like a piece of cake.
Most vatniks, not unlike MAGAs, don’t have answers to many questions, they want to be left alone to manage the hole they happened to be born into, and the promise of a candidate or ideology that does just that or even paints their quest as a herioic one, or a sacred sacrifice, would win again and again until there is someone to work with that and educate them.
They are used to live in shit and depend on themselves, don’t know anything better and become pretty jealous if others get that. Others having it worse, especially their ‘enemies’, kinda makes their own living more bearable. Their struggle is a downpainment for a mission of punishing the unworthy ones.
When a person is downscaled to that childish level of consciousness it’s impossible to reach them with rhetorics that don’t directly benefit them.
As long as they continue to be like that and their thoughts are unchallenged, they’d always vote maga.
Really well said
I haven’t seen an analysis from your perspective before. Lines up very well with my experience from the Southern US.
And as they continue to vote against their own interests it becomes a self-perpetuating system.
If you look at the impacts to their lives from the Clinton presidency, it is understandable that they would think that Democracts are not necessarily working in their interests.
Clinton really did fuck us over, though I guess the Bosnians like him.
Well lets hope we can correct course and make changes, unless Trump triggers a civil war or removes too much load bearing duck tape from the federal government and it more or less implodes
