• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    So the Trump campaign and its allies moved to quietly kneecap Shapiro. It did so by forging a de facto alliance with the enemy of its enemy, the progressive left, which opposed Shapiro—the only Jewish candidate on Harris’s shortlist—largely because of his pro-Israel stances. The result was a swelling of progressive opposition (some of it organic, some artificially fed) that, among other things, saw Shapiro’s online critics dub him “Genocide Josh.”

    Article makes it sound like people wouldn’t have had a problem with it…

    Which makes zero sense considering how Bidens handling of Israel’s genocide was one of the top three issues voters had with him…

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      3 months ago

      I missed the use of the term goncide josh which much like the joe is likely to immediately disregard someones conversation around the subject. Not a whole lot of time for rhetoric to take off though.

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      3 months ago

      This:

      swelling of progressive opposition (some of it organic

      does not mean

      Article makes it sound like people wouldn’t have had a problem with it…

      You’re just uncomfortable with Trumpworld siding with you, which is fair. It’s unsurprising they are more concerned with moderate appeal than progressive appeal, though. They know they can demonize any progressive to rural voters, it’s a core part of their strategy. This would have been less effective against a guy that can point to school vouchers.

      That said, all this means is we have a responsibility to make up for any potential loss with energy and outreach.

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        It’s gonna be hard to demonize Walz.

        For one thing he grew up a farmer and became a school teacher; he’s a vet. He’s literally “one of them”. Except he doesn’t drink the maga rightaid, and is very good at progressive messaging.

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          No, it sadly won’t. He’s pro lgbtq+. That’s the work of the devil you know, the shadowy deep state that is turning all your kids gay. He was in charge during the BLM protests, so clearly he’s antifa and wants to defund the police to create more lawlessness. Sure he’s ex-military, but have you seen the military these days? Gays and women everywhere, it’s all DEI now. I could go on and on, they have a prepared line for almost every position we hold.

          He does have one edge, he’s a gun owner. He hasn’t taken any NRA-supported positions in awhile though.

          edit: Remember they’re in a frenzy of purging their party for the past few years. They’re very leery of anyone that might seem like one of them but is actually sane.

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            3 months ago

            And that’s when he swings back.

            You saw some of that last night (“we have a golden rule…. Mind your own damn business”… “Hella Weird”)

            They can try, but the harder they push the weirder they become.

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              3 months ago

              Oh definitely. Rural voters are rural voters though. When you look at the electoral map, that’s all the red parts in the middle of everything. They trust republicans because the gop is straightforward and nasty, and that makes more sense to them than anything more scientific, objective or pro-social.

              It’s a region where when a HS quarterback rapes some girl, it’d usually get covered up, even by local law enforcement. When people are really backwards, it’s because that’s what they want.

              I’m sure he might get a few, but he’s not going to suddenly un-maga the magas. That’s very wishful thinking.

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                I’m sure he might get a few, but he’s not going to suddenly un-maga the magas. That’s very wishful thinking.

                He doesn’t need to, all he really needs to do is get the not-maga out to vote. That includes dems across the spectrum. That he can do.

                And the more they try to demonize him… “I fed kids. I’m a monster. You’re trying to look up their skirts.”

                It’s a region where when a HS quarterback rapes some girl, it’d usually get covered up, even by local law enforcement. When people are really backwards, it’s because that’s what they want.

                You’ll do well not to paint entire regions you apparently know nothing about with that brush. Particularly since Minnesota is in that region. Also, that land doesn’t vote, people vote.

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                  3 months ago

                  MN hasn’t gone red in a presidential in a whole lot of years, so it’s actually not.

                  And yes, if you go back to my original comment, that was more of less what I said, where we have a responsibility to provide energy and outreach. I just don’t think we should over-exaggerate how successful progressive messaging should be, as if moderates can simply be brushed aside and their disagreements with us ignored. We did lose a little bit by picking two more progressive people, and we do have to work to make up for it.

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    3 months ago

    If true, they miscalculated.

    But, you can tell them something, but that doesn’t mean they’ll let it to be read.