Didn’t this happen before? It’s like time is a flat circle and I already saw the video and the people getting hazed were like eriely quiet
Oh, pledge week.
Where I went to college, one of the frats just the year before I started had gotten kicked off campus because at a party at the frat house, some of the members beat up a pledge and kicked him down the basement stairs and he broke his neck and died. His corpse wasn’t discovered until late the next day. Nobody was punished criminally because they couldn’t identify who had actually done it, so the expulsion of the frat was the only penalty. The frat house got turned into a dorm for international students, and every few weeks members of the fraternity (which still existed but off-campus) would run through the building and trash the public spaces and harass any international students they encountered. These students were in a constant state of fear because of this.
To my great surprise, this college a couple of decades later banned all greek organizations entirely. It was a pretty wild decision because when I went there, 90% of the students were in fraternities or sororities. Good riddance.
And people questioned Brett Boofinaugh. I wouldn’t hesitate to think that there were plenty of parties with Gang Bang Greg and Handsy Hank.
Holy crap…
Lemme guess, SAE?
Could have been, I don’t remember. I tried to find a news article about it but this was from too long ago - mid 1980s.
Same Assholes Everywhere
Greek life was pretty mild at my college but this is the only one that got kicked off campus.
Like….why does this happen?
Sociopaths are popular in the US for some reason.
And i thought “Alpha Menorah JavaScript” was word salad, no apparently fraternities just call themselves that.
What is hazing anyways?
Sort of a rite of initiation for frats or school cubs, or even schools; the freshmen/pledges have to do embarrassing or stupid things to pass and be able to join. Unfortunately it happens in the military as well, even though it’s absolutely prohibited.
I’m shocked frankly that someone named Brayden did something so heinous.
I guess I just don’t get it. What value does frat membership have that people are willing to put up with this crap? The closest I ever got was freshman hazing in high school, and when the seniors wanted me to do something stupid, I just walked away. Like, what were they going to do? Tell a teacher on me, or something? (The hazing kept up until a freshman fell and broke his arm one year, and that was the end of that.)
The pledges need to grow spines and start calling the school or the police if things get out of hand.
Eta: now that I think about it, we had hell week in college. Most of it was silly, and I just ignored it. (And ignored it when I was supposed to be running it.) A senior confronted me and told me if I didn’t want to participate, then maybe [school name] wasn’t the place for me.
Yes, I have a BA from [school name].
What value does frat membership have
Networking? Lots of people in these orgs are good for job contacts.
It’s the far right side of school life, where the frat is a hierarchical in-group. The pledges put up with it for access to the priviledges that come with being in the group and ones that go through with it have a mix of a) thinking it’s paying their dues now to reap the benefits later, b) don’t appreciate how much it might escalate until it does, and then have peer pressure and sunk cost fallacy driving them to continue, and c) the escalations might also excite them because if this is what they have to put up with to get in, if this is acceptable for senior members to subject junior members to, just imagine what the frat will let them get away with when they are full members or senior members. It’s like the “it’s ok for billionaires to treat my class like shit because I’m planning on joining them one day” mindset, except with an actual path to joining them soon.
There might also be some S&M aspects to it where some on the M side even enjoy it, though I can’t really relate to that myself so it’s only speculation.
To make it explicit, one of the benefits pledges look forward to are group organized parties where they can have easy access to women to try and sleep with them.
It’s also a way for them to reestablish the old boys clubs for the modern day, at least for some of them. The “right” people will get in and then have connections they can turn to for things like getting a job after school, and since there’s no standard hazing program, they can just go extra hard on any poor people or minorities that mistakenly join thinking they. too, will be afforded opportunities in the future if they put up with it. Then they can just keep raising the stakes until either the pledge drops out, or they decide that this person is willing to take enough outrageous abuse from them to be worthwhile to string along to keep as a future lackey/scapegoat.
It builds a cult like environment and makes people feel exclusive that they got through it
These days, ppl don’t let strangers into their homes, many feel the need to join to literally have somewhere to go on weekends that isn’t the dorms. Most dudes Ik in a frat dropped a year or two in once they knew enough ppl to go out on weekends and hangout at different houses without needing the frat. Most may not be accurate, a lot of people stay. Tbh I only got away with having fun drinking and partyhopppng because many of my friends were in frats and would let me in.
Also they get laid a lot just by being in a frat, the amount of woman I had act thirsty over me asking what frat I was in just to lose all interest when I said none is hilariously high. Obv not all women, but a good small amount does like fucking dudes just because they are in frats.
Throwing parties yourself or with your friends sucks, it gets dirty really fast, unless you have someone watching the door like frats do it gets packed with freshman who desttroy your home every time. Everytime I kicked people out of my own house for it randomly getting packed they broke something on the way out.
From what I’ve heard of hazing, it’s realtively tame compared to what it used to be. They try to avoid getting banned off campus or are trying to come back on after being banned typically. Most fked up things I heard at my school was being chased in a forest with paintball guns and needing to chop a tree in teams (which got that frat banned since it was protected land)
Then there’s hell week where they toss them in a basement and throw flour and oatmeal type sht (claiming its vomit) at them while telling them it’s actually gonna be 2 weeks.
Imo some of the ppl that join frats need them, it’s the only adversity they’ll face. I’ve known npc type ppl with no personalities that join a frat and come out actual ppl, idk if its the frat or just being in college tho. There are plenty of ppl that make no friends and have minimal interactions so the forced interactions through a frat could be helpful. Kinda forces them not to be incels/redpill (I think most ppl would imagine thats the type of person who joins a frat, but its the type of dude they hate and wouldn’t allow near them), at least the ones I knew of would basically drop anyone who couldn’t talk to girls or bring them to their events, so you have to be able to be friends with woman.
And a lot of the sa that happens/happened wasn’t people in the frats, it would be random ppl they let in, which is also why only frat members or people who know them and come with 2-3 girls are allowed these days. It’s like a social credit check. Still happens, still have sus frats and members, but the rate is much lower for a reason.
the amount of woman I had act thirsty over me asking what frat I was in just to lose all interest when I said none is hilariously high. Obv not all women, but a good small amount does like fucking dudes just because they are in frats.
Do you have any theory as to why? Is it a status thing? Where they want to sleep with someone with status?
Get a frat boy for benefits. There is selling oneself for things bedsides money.
Interesting. Benefits such as…?
Marrying well. Expensive “gifts.” Dental work. Clothing. Introductions. Jobs.
So they had food on them, were dirty, some had bruises or something and were in a sauna…? Without more specific details this is a day at work for many ppl, or some festivals. Really doesn’t seem like such a horrible experience.
Forced to drink miralax and shit all over the place.
If my kids go to college it won’t be to one of these places
Frats are so very strange. Its like they looked at trauma and were like … “we can use this”. Then they created a toxic relationship that none of them can leave.
I am sure there are many exceptions to this but I am just speaking from my limited experience.
Probably a direct line between toxic masculinity and hazing in frats. Not that non-male groups can’t have these issues but this particular flavor of cyclical trauma…
Why are we putting our best future divorced middle managers through Midwest Guantanamo bay?
Frankly, any organization that has hazing should be eradicated. It is just abuse dressed up as tradition.
Heh, you just described Agile and about 7 other workplace methodologies.
Do you want to put hours on that?
7 story points please
Agile
Shit is that still around? I resisted it with everything I had when I worked in software development. It was clear from the start that it was a cult. I’d assumed that it had died off by now.
They keep putting frameworks under it with other names, but it’s def still in use most places.
Nope, it’s the standard everywhere I’ve been
Including medical residencies tbh
Yep, my brother in law has to work 100-110 hours per week in his residency, completely illegal, but I guess some bullshit “rite of passage” not to mention they made him move 3000km away with his newborn child.
The dude who came up with that system was straight up wired on cocaine all the time.
“Bro idk what the problem is just sleep in the closet for 45 minutes.”
William Stewart Halsted seems to be a very well regarded physician and developed several techniques and tools that bear his name to this day.
But he was in fact addicted to cocaine throughout his career, and later morphine.
I remember reading somewhere that the earliest college frats modeled themselves after Freemasonry. Yes, that Freemasonry; the subject of so many outlandish conspiracy theories but, in reality, is just history’s oldest rich guys’ geek club. But the Masons at least try to have a good image.
College frats (especially Americans) are the epitome of Suburban and Middle Class degeneracy that it astonishes me that they’re still a thing. Why any university would allow them operate on their campuses is beyond me.
Dear god what a fucking weird country.
I mean yes, but… pot, kettle. The US shares much weird fraternity hazing culture with the UK even nowadays.
The old “fagging/prefect” system in British schools. Yes, that’s were the both slur and the Hogwarts house system comes from.
Right, but that’s public schools, not schools in general. Those are places for rich pricks to send their children so they end up becoming Prime Minister someday and any other miserable sods unlucky enough to also be inducted.
The vast majority of us go to “state” or “comprehensive” schools, which mean the same thing. There was certainly plenty of brutality handed down by the teachers in the old days and I imagine a fair amount of bullying but they don’t have the kind of storied history of Eton and Rugby.
Must say due to age (i.e. I don’t hang out with students) unless I see a news report I wouldn’t know but thats depressing if so.
