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People. We, the French, pulled a left-wing coalition out of our asses in less than a week and managed to “win” an election. You have months. Hope is permitted.
It’s very true. We’ve been brainwashed into a year long campaign mostly because it generates a lot of money for various parties but prior elections have proven it’s mostly what happens in the last month that makes a difference.
Y’all are lucky you can make coalitions, though. This is more akin to your election if you only had centrists and far right running. Two party system and all that.
I think you’ll start to see a lot more excitement in the next few weeks.
Well spoken.
A few months in politics is an eternity. Yes, things are chaotic right now, but this is short term. We can unify after this. And we can win.
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So we need a French immigrant to help fix the government?
A “long” election campaign in the UK is 6 weeks. In 1992 they had one that was just 30 days.
Months is plenty of time, especially in the modern world. Maybe 250 years ago it was necessary to campaign for months on end so that the candidate could personally travel by train to every state. But, with modern media (both traditional and social), there’s no real reason for campaigns to be as long as they are. The only reason they’re this long is that the thought is that the earlier you start campaigning, the better. So, each side keeps starting earlier and earlier, making it effectively into a neverending campaign cycle.
You, the French, have not been the target of a 40 year war against public education by the right wing. Americans are on average significantly less capable of rational thought because of it. Source: I am an American raised in the crippled education system I mentioned before.
It’s a bit naive to think Western Europe hasn’t been under attack from the right wing at least as long as the US has. They’ve had wars over it that never really reached US shores, and it never really went away. All of the strategies that have been used in the US were piloted and honed in Europe – look up the activities there by Manafort, Stone, Bannon, etc. all the same names who have been implementing the shit you’re seeing in the US were active in Western and Eastern Europe years before this. It’s been going on there far longer.
It’s amazing to me that people in the US haven’t been paying attention to what’s gone on there and learning from their successes.
Why’d you put “win” in quotes?
Because we only have a relative majority and now Macron is teaming up with the hard right (not the far right, the other right right that is not center right… Yeah, too much right is wrong) to deprive us of any path to government. Shit sucks. But it could have sucked way harder.
It’s also a strategic moderate move to keep the hard right from merging with Reform.
I’m hoping the left wing parties aren’t locked out and still able to get progress made.
Cuddling up to the hard right might look like a strategical move but it never works. Normalising them only shifts the discussion further to the right. And let’s face it… in this post-factual time where all that matters is the narratives, giving them a platform will only help to brain-wash more people into believing right-wing fake-solutions to actual problems.
Because, well, the left coalition came out ahead of the vote but then started to loose ground to political shenanigans. War is not over but a significant battle was lost.
We don’t really do coalitions here. Our voting system doesn’t allow for it.
It does happen within Congress itself though, when different sects of the two parties cross the aisle to join with the other party on certain issues. But since Congress doesn’t elect a prime minister, it doesn’t happen for the presidency.
I know. You’re missing my point. :)
My point wasn’t the coalition. My point was that we had 21 days to cobble something together and not only did we do it, we managed to win with it. It’s not about the coalition, it’s about building a campaign. You have months to do so.
And you’re about to say that Trump had way longer to do so. Yes. So did the far right in our country, which barely even campaigned because all of the media were doing so on their behalf for the last two years and we still managed to outnumber them.
Trust me, my faith in the Democrats is barely existent. But still, I think it can be done.
I don’t understand you people in this thread.
Ever since the debate, people have been calling for Joe Biden to step down from the presidential race and give the place to someone else.
Now I read the comments and everyone is criticizing and accusing the Democrats of not knowing what they’re doing? Are you for real? They’re doing EXACTLY what people have been asking for. They’re doing EXACTLY what needs to be done if they want to win.
Fucking hell you guys, make up your fucking mind.
Sincerely,
A Canadian with severe anxiety over your next presidential election.
Well, to be fair, he should have stepped down a year ago, or at least 3 months ago. I vaguely remember him saying he was going to be a 1 term candidate in 2020.
Anyway, I respect Biden. I honestly think he was a better president than Obama, Bush, Trump and Clinton. Perhaps the best since Carter or JFK.
I vaguely remember him saying he was going to be a 1 term candidate in 2020.
You’re correct, he did. Everyone forgot that for some reason. Note that this article is from 2019:
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129
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I didn’t say any of that. With only four months until the election, I think this is kind of dumb.
Dumb to not let Trump win? Cause that is what was going to happen if he stayed in.
Oh, you have a crystal ball and already saw what happened in the future?
Yes I do. Thanks for asking.
I’ll say just one thing:
Every single one of you assholes who wouldn’t shut up about him stepping down since the dude missed the toilet bowl fifty years ago after a particularly wild night out better sure as fuck step up now that Old Joe has stepped down.
A sitting god damned President of the United States has stepped aside less than half a year before reelection. Make no mistake: The man swallowed his pride and ego HARD to make this decision. Let’s honor that by creating a wall of votes so god. damned. thick. Riley Reid would gasp.
man swallowed his pride and ego HARD to make this decision.
Should anyone care about his pride and ego?
Wait wait, let me guess, now all of the sudden we’re not literally fascists for thinking that it would be best if Biden stepped down. A sincere fuck you too everyone who commented accordingly for the last month.
And downvoted us. It was fucked up Correct the Record style brigading.
This decision really raises my opinion of Biden so much. God damn do I love that man, he is truly a great person who dedicated his life to serve his country, literally. He honestly had a great term given the circumstances, and the only thing he probably should have done differently is to not run for reelection to begin with. But he seemed to genuinely believe he could win and stave off Trump. Now that that seemed impossible, he makes a very courageous decision that a lot of people probably wouldn’t have made and puts the country ahead of his ego. Lots of respect from me, and I hope this reinvigorates the democratic base and makes the future brighter for all of us.
I know you’re from Europe but you should really read up on Biden’s long record of conservative and corporatist stances and policies. He literally wrote the legislation that trapped all future US generations in indentured student loan servitude in exchange for $250,000 from MBNA the following year. Then, he had the balls to pretend his means tested student loan forgiveness would fix the issue he created while he STILL fights student loan holders in court.
He was one of the most conservative, racist, corrupt, right wing Democrats there ever was. Let’s not rewrite his awful track record.
Oh boy, I can’t wait for armchair pundits who were calling for Joe to step down to now turn around and start to nitpick Harris as if that wasn’t going to be the obvious successor.
I’m 100% behind Harris or anyone who gets the Dem nom. Trump must be stopped.
This is still a battle for America’s soul. Are we going to accept the first female president or the first convicted felon president? I sure hope the left turns out for this one, even if they aren’t super stoked about it, because we might never recover from another Trump disaster.
She’s an improvement and is sufficient to beat Trump.
I’m not going to discourage party leadership when they’re actually listening for once.
100% agree. I don’t see any reason why she shouldn’t have just as much of a chance to beat Trump as Biden did, when Biden was essentially coasting on the “not Trump” vote anyway. That’s not to say he didn’t have legitimate achievements during his term - he is doing a fantastic job as president, but he doesn’t do a great job at communicating that when the people that need to hear it are watching. His political messaging/timing is terrible.
Hopefully bringing Kamala into the forefront of the race will give the party a jolt of energy since it seems like a majority of the average voters approve of Biden stepping down. I’m just happy that we can finally shift the conversation away from age and aptitude and focus on the issues that people are going to actually turn out for - the economy, Dobbs, and SCOTUS nominations/reform.
for everyone sake: phew. i feel sorry for him, he obviously lacks energy and needs to not be trying to run america and fight trump.
Honestly, the decision should have been obvious. If he stayed in and lost, his legacy was done.
Now, he has this nice story of being the bridge candidate and handing it over to the next generation. He can enjoy the remainder of his life with less stress, still in an advisory role, enjoying time with friends & family. He’s had some rough moments in his life and he should get some peace.
that and having the legacy of ‘political genius who completely upended trump’s campaign by waiting until they’d over-committed and then not competing’
Let’s gooooo! Harris/AOC, maybe? That would be wild
No chance. Maybe Harris/Kelly.
All I know about Harris is from a youtube short where she was just being super weird about that catchphrase of hers.
She’s got no chance against trump and his cult of personality. Noone’s going to be passionate about her.
She’s a nothing-burger. If she is the candidate, we have all the same problems, except we don’t have a reasonable excuse for why she can’t speak coherently. But it’s her turn!
For fucks sake. We’re fucked
We’re so fucking back!
Can’t help but think the neoliberals just won a huge Victory here.
Its extremely worrying he didnt announce who is replacing him. This election might wnd up being decided by the supreme court after republicans challenge the replacement in the courts
Well BidenBros, are you happy you divided the party so much to try and get your guy in?
If trump wins, it’s your fault… BidenBros. Hope it was worth it BidenBros.
To every one of you in here who spent the last year defending him: shut the fuck up. It was obvious he is a senile segregationist piece of garbage. You need to reevaluate all your political opinions.
That’s the end of it all
Edit: wow I got banned from this community for this comment.
