America is becoming the most vile country on the planet.
You fucking idiots voted in an orange muppet rapist who’s being controlled by a Russian dictator while sending secret communications between a drunk ex showman who now runs the military.
You get what you voted for. Enjoy having your kids in blueberry fields and coal mines to continue building wealth for the rich for penny’s.
Meanwhile, those of us that most definitely did NOT vote for this are faced with new horrors every day, right here in our own country. It’s just a blast watching our former allies shutting the door and giving the entire population the finger when we are facing a crisis like this. I have to wonder, was this what it was like during the Nazi’s rise to power? Did other nations turn a blind eye and say “not my problem”? Now the formerly so called leader of the free world has been taken down by the oligarchs and so many countries and people are saying good luck, get fucked. I guess it’s fine to overthrow some back water country in the name of “democracy” but the US can rot right? Not like this will have any impact on global relations or climate change, right?
To be clear, I’m not attacking you, I’m just frustrated to see this happening around me and seeing so little support for the people here that want absolutely nothing to do with it. There are a lot of people here that don’t deserve what’s coming, that have voted, campaigned, protested and argued against it, and I really wish people took the time to understand that nuance to not just this situation, but everything.
To those that lend encouragement and support to anyone standing against this, thank you, whole heartedly, because we absolutely need it.
It’s easier to roll into an underdeveloped nation than into the nation with the biggest military (and economy I think?) in the world!
Best we can do from the outside right now is help you guys help yourselves, by showing you that the last choice was a bad one so you may make a better choice next time. At least that’s all we can do officially and publicly.
I doubt there will be a true next time. Trump own all of the swing states which was real weird. It will be done on a larger scale next time. The only way we will get out of this is blood.
I’m hoping some of the other nations will provide us a way to escape by accepting those of us that wish to leave. I fully intend to try to get my family out if the worst comes to pass. As a white man with a black wife and a biracial son, I’m frankly terrified of all the white supremacy normalization going on. I’m just not sure what countries would be willing to have us. I’m neither rich nor particularly talented, but I’m willing to learn and work.
Agreed. It’s already starting with scientists that leave the us and come to Europe, and I hope we’ll welcome more of you with open arms in the future. Unfortunately the anti immigrant sentiment is growing in Europe as well, so it’s really unclear.
Also, there was a shit ton of shenanigans going on during the last election. Other countries boycotting our products will absolutely help us. If it costs the 1% money, he will be taken down a notch. The oligarchs are in this for the money after all.
Prediction: what EU and China will be doing shortly - not out of good will, but because they were wronged and they know the problem is Trump, not the United States in general - will be carefully targeted tariffs designed to hurt Trump’s main support bases. It’s been done before.
Canada is also specifically targeting red states with retaliatory tariffs. Somehow I doubt that is the sort of “help for the American people” OP is asking for.
Providing support and resources for movements that are opposed to Project 2025 and the rise of fascism would be nice, but at the least how about drawing a distinction between the fascists and anti fascists. I’m tired of my friends, family, and myaelf being lumped in with the fascists. Don’t think your own country is immune to fascism either. I see a lot of countries whipping up nationalism in response to what’s happening here, and that’s troubling.
Providing support and resources for movements that are opposed to Project 2025 and the rise of fascism would be nice
So you expect countries with smaller militaries (ie. all of them) to openly fund groups opposing a democratically elected leader?
but at the least how about drawing a distinction between the fascists and anti fascists
We recognize the distinction, but you have to be aware that you are unfortunately a minority in the country. Less than a third of Americans actually voted against this.
Not everyone in Russia supports the war in Ukraine, and I 100% support anyone trying to leave Russia or the Russian military, but Russia as a country can get fucked and needs to collapse for the good of the world.
So you expect countries with smaller militaries (ie. all of them) to openly fund groups opposing a democratically elected leader?
Why not? How often do people talk about using a time machine to take out Hitler? How is this different?
We recognize the distinction, but you have to be aware that you are unfortunately a minority in the country. Less than a third of Americans actually voted against this.
This ignores the destruction of the democratic process through gerrymandering, voter suppression, and voter intimidation, not to mention the very real possibility that voting systems were compromised. Of the people that were of age, were able, and did vote, just over half voted for Trump, assuming voting tallies were accurate.
I don’t expect anyone to be out saviors, in fact I expect things to go much like Nazi Germany, where the infection of fascism spreads across the globe and many of the people around me including myself and my kids will probably die. The collapse of the US will not, and is not happening in a vacuum. And before you suggest that I take on the federal government, look at what happened in Hong Kong. Outside support and intervention in coordination with resistance elements in the US is absolutely critical.
Because it would justify any retaliation (including military) from Trump and his sycophants.
Of the people that were of age, were able, and did vote, just over half voted for Trump
Right, over 50% of people who did vote voted for Trump, and unless your arguing that everyone that did not vote did it as a result of voter suppression or intimidation, the % of people that just chose not to vote adds to the % of the population that were fine with this.
If the “popular vote” went to Kamala there would be an argument to be had, but it didn’t. By all available evidence this is what the USA voted for. Why is it the responsibility of other countries to intervene in what people voted for?
assuming voting tallies were accurate.
Provide some evidence that they weren’t and you’ll be far more likely to get support from other countries.
The collapse of the US will not, and is not happening in a vacuum
Correct, and I do not fault any government for not sending money to resistance groups in the US that they could be using to support their own population in the coming economic crash.
This just sounds like more selfish Americentrism, “Why aren’t other countries doing more to help America? Yes, America did it to it’s self, and now if other countries don’t spend considerable resources helping us then they are just being selfish!”
Well, you asked me what could be done to help. I never said you have to, I’m just tired of scrolling past article after article talking about protests and attempts to halt this administration, only to see comments that are as dense as the ones made by the people that voted for this asshole. None of this shit is going to get any better with that approach.
Less than a third voted for him, too. Millions are disenfranchised and millions more recognize that there is no correlation between desires and outcomes when it comes to voting.
Less than a third voted for him, too. Millions are disenfranchised and millions more recognize that there is no correlation between desires and outcomes when it comes to voting.
And these millions that couldn’t even bother to vote expect other countries to come save them?
Perhaps it’s more that the extremist rhetoric of the opposition that denigrated them and elevated war criminals wasn’t the best way to motivate the masses of impoverished and disillusioned people to vote for them.
I think our allies are doing everything they can do. They can’t “help” us militarily. What they can do is help us economically. Then the US attempted to help itself during trump 45, what did all the censures, panels, investigations, lawsuits, and eventual impeachments amount to? Liberal tears. Prior to Inauguration Day, one of the democratic strategies discussed, was to let trump do his thing, without all the interference. Of course there are the lawsuits - anyone can sue anyone. Maybe the way to get MAGA voters to recognise how terrible trump (and MAGA) is, is to just let things happen, to the point where the MAGAs get pissed at MAGA.
Our allies are doing their part to come to our defense by retaliating on the tariffs, moving away from buying American goods, finding other trade partners, moving away from depending on the American Military, and potentially moving away from the US Dollar. No matter how this all plays out, it will hurt Americans, because in this case, the threat to America is coming from within America.
In the end, if our democratic republic survives, do we really need to be the “world police?” Do we really need a military that’s bigger than the next 13 militaries combined? I’m not really saying that we should or shouldn’t, but the “liberal world order” that has been enjoyed since WWII is expensive, but well worth it, considering what the cost of WWIII will be. Additionally, the expenses endured by the US in “running the show” also bought the influence of American Interests all over the world. Do we really need to run the show? Do the interests of the US align with that of our allies close enough, that we could simply be members of the team, instead of having to watch the “orange dipshit” shove his way to the center of the front row of every photo, where national leadership is gathered.
America has lost its way. Our allies are doing everything they can, to help our nation recover from the threat within. While President Turd-gurgler swings his bludgeon of tariffs, then no tariffs, then new tariffs, Canada targets its tariffs at the people who voted for the president and his tariffs. When the half of the nation who didn’t vote for trump is joined by the half of the nation who did vote for trump, the trump problem can be solved. Until then, any objection to trump is simply another liberal tear.
Other countries also currently have popular fascists problems.
Its hard to help other countries deal with their fascist problems when you have your own fascist problems
The pearl clutching of many non-north American people is becoming nearly comedic.
It’s always been “you shouldn’t lump everyone on that label as the same because they aren’t” up to now, so it sure is “confusing” as to why suddenly all Americans bad.
America is becoming the most vile country on the planet.
You fucking idiots voted in an orange muppet rapist who’s being controlled by a Russian dictator while sending secret communications between a drunk ex showman who now runs the military.
You get what you voted for. Enjoy having your kids in blueberry fields and coal mines to continue building wealth for the rich for penny’s.
Pathetic. America is pathetic.
Meanwhile, those of us that most definitely did NOT vote for this are faced with new horrors every day, right here in our own country. It’s just a blast watching our former allies shutting the door and giving the entire population the finger when we are facing a crisis like this. I have to wonder, was this what it was like during the Nazi’s rise to power? Did other nations turn a blind eye and say “not my problem”? Now the formerly so called leader of the free world has been taken down by the oligarchs and so many countries and people are saying good luck, get fucked. I guess it’s fine to overthrow some back water country in the name of “democracy” but the US can rot right? Not like this will have any impact on global relations or climate change, right?
To be clear, I’m not attacking you, I’m just frustrated to see this happening around me and seeing so little support for the people here that want absolutely nothing to do with it. There are a lot of people here that don’t deserve what’s coming, that have voted, campaigned, protested and argued against it, and I really wish people took the time to understand that nuance to not just this situation, but everything.
To those that lend encouragement and support to anyone standing against this, thank you, whole heartedly, because we absolutely need it.
It’s easier to roll into an underdeveloped nation than into the nation with the biggest military (and economy I think?) in the world!
Best we can do from the outside right now is help you guys help yourselves, by showing you that the last choice was a bad one so you may make a better choice next time. At least that’s all we can do officially and publicly.
I doubt there will be a true next time. Trump own all of the swing states which was real weird. It will be done on a larger scale next time. The only way we will get out of this is blood.
I mean according to Trump, Elon’s knowledge of computers, including vote counting machines, won him the election.
I agree, that was really weird. But at least from what I saw nobody bat an eye in the grand scheme of things.
I’m hoping some of the other nations will provide us a way to escape by accepting those of us that wish to leave. I fully intend to try to get my family out if the worst comes to pass. As a white man with a black wife and a biracial son, I’m frankly terrified of all the white supremacy normalization going on. I’m just not sure what countries would be willing to have us. I’m neither rich nor particularly talented, but I’m willing to learn and work.
Agreed. It’s already starting with scientists that leave the us and come to Europe, and I hope we’ll welcome more of you with open arms in the future. Unfortunately the anti immigrant sentiment is growing in Europe as well, so it’s really unclear.
Also, there was a shit ton of shenanigans going on during the last election. Other countries boycotting our products will absolutely help us. If it costs the 1% money, he will be taken down a notch. The oligarchs are in this for the money after all.
Sadly that would be a better outcome… they are really in it for control, the money is a stat to support that goal.
What specifically do you think other countries should be doing?
Prediction: what EU and China will be doing shortly - not out of good will, but because they were wronged and they know the problem is Trump, not the United States in general - will be carefully targeted tariffs designed to hurt Trump’s main support bases. It’s been done before.
Canada is also specifically targeting red states with retaliatory tariffs. Somehow I doubt that is the sort of “help for the American people” OP is asking for.
You’re right but as a red stater this needs to be done to get my state senators heads out of their asses.
Countries need to target states specifically for economic pressure under a dictator
Providing support and resources for movements that are opposed to Project 2025 and the rise of fascism would be nice, but at the least how about drawing a distinction between the fascists and anti fascists. I’m tired of my friends, family, and myaelf being lumped in with the fascists. Don’t think your own country is immune to fascism either. I see a lot of countries whipping up nationalism in response to what’s happening here, and that’s troubling.
So you expect countries with smaller militaries (ie. all of them) to openly fund groups opposing a democratically elected leader?
We recognize the distinction, but you have to be aware that you are unfortunately a minority in the country. Less than a third of Americans actually voted against this.
Not everyone in Russia supports the war in Ukraine, and I 100% support anyone trying to leave Russia or the Russian military, but Russia as a country can get fucked and needs to collapse for the good of the world.
Why not? How often do people talk about using a time machine to take out Hitler? How is this different?
This ignores the destruction of the democratic process through gerrymandering, voter suppression, and voter intimidation, not to mention the very real possibility that voting systems were compromised. Of the people that were of age, were able, and did vote, just over half voted for Trump, assuming voting tallies were accurate.
I don’t expect anyone to be out saviors, in fact I expect things to go much like Nazi Germany, where the infection of fascism spreads across the globe and many of the people around me including myself and my kids will probably die. The collapse of the US will not, and is not happening in a vacuum. And before you suggest that I take on the federal government, look at what happened in Hong Kong. Outside support and intervention in coordination with resistance elements in the US is absolutely critical.
Because it would justify any retaliation (including military) from Trump and his sycophants.
Right, over 50% of people who did vote voted for Trump, and unless your arguing that everyone that did not vote did it as a result of voter suppression or intimidation, the % of people that just chose not to vote adds to the % of the population that were fine with this.
If the “popular vote” went to Kamala there would be an argument to be had, but it didn’t. By all available evidence this is what the USA voted for. Why is it the responsibility of other countries to intervene in what people voted for?
Provide some evidence that they weren’t and you’ll be far more likely to get support from other countries.
Correct, and I do not fault any government for not sending money to resistance groups in the US that they could be using to support their own population in the coming economic crash.
This just sounds like more selfish Americentrism, “Why aren’t other countries doing more to help America? Yes, America did it to it’s self, and now if other countries don’t spend considerable resources helping us then they are just being selfish!”
Well, you asked me what could be done to help. I never said you have to, I’m just tired of scrolling past article after article talking about protests and attempts to halt this administration, only to see comments that are as dense as the ones made by the people that voted for this asshole. None of this shit is going to get any better with that approach.
There is no article or comments in this thread about protests or attempts to halt this adminstration, nor anyone trying to discourage such actions.
False. He didn’t even win 50% of the people who did vote for president. He only won a plurality.
Less than a third voted for him, too. Millions are disenfranchised and millions more recognize that there is no correlation between desires and outcomes when it comes to voting.
And these millions that couldn’t even bother to vote expect other countries to come save them?
Perhaps it’s more that the extremist rhetoric of the opposition that denigrated them and elevated war criminals wasn’t the best way to motivate the masses of impoverished and disillusioned people to vote for them.
I think our allies are doing everything they can do. They can’t “help” us militarily. What they can do is help us economically. Then the US attempted to help itself during trump 45, what did all the censures, panels, investigations, lawsuits, and eventual impeachments amount to? Liberal tears. Prior to Inauguration Day, one of the democratic strategies discussed, was to let trump do his thing, without all the interference. Of course there are the lawsuits - anyone can sue anyone. Maybe the way to get MAGA voters to recognise how terrible trump (and MAGA) is, is to just let things happen, to the point where the MAGAs get pissed at MAGA.
Our allies are doing their part to come to our defense by retaliating on the tariffs, moving away from buying American goods, finding other trade partners, moving away from depending on the American Military, and potentially moving away from the US Dollar. No matter how this all plays out, it will hurt Americans, because in this case, the threat to America is coming from within America.
In the end, if our democratic republic survives, do we really need to be the “world police?” Do we really need a military that’s bigger than the next 13 militaries combined? I’m not really saying that we should or shouldn’t, but the “liberal world order” that has been enjoyed since WWII is expensive, but well worth it, considering what the cost of WWIII will be. Additionally, the expenses endured by the US in “running the show” also bought the influence of American Interests all over the world. Do we really need to run the show? Do the interests of the US align with that of our allies close enough, that we could simply be members of the team, instead of having to watch the “orange dipshit” shove his way to the center of the front row of every photo, where national leadership is gathered.
America has lost its way. Our allies are doing everything they can, to help our nation recover from the threat within. While President Turd-gurgler swings his bludgeon of tariffs, then no tariffs, then new tariffs, Canada targets its tariffs at the people who voted for the president and his tariffs. When the half of the nation who didn’t vote for trump is joined by the half of the nation who did vote for trump, the trump problem can be solved. Until then, any objection to trump is simply another liberal tear.
Other countries also currently have popular fascists problems. Its hard to help other countries deal with their fascist problems when you have your own fascist problems
There may also be a want for revenge
The pearl clutching of many non-north American people is becoming nearly comedic.
It’s always been “you shouldn’t lump everyone on that label as the same because they aren’t” up to now, so it sure is “confusing” as to why suddenly all Americans bad.
The people who purposefully didn’t vote are the real fucking idiots.
There are a bunch right here on lemmy that took a “principled stance”, and fucked us realllllll fuckin hard.
Anyone who didn’t vote is fucking stupid as shit.
Those are the ones I truly hate. the MAGA I understand but the non-voters are the ones that piss me off.
But hey, at least they didn’t vote for genocide Joe or Kamala! That would’ve been just as bad.
A few dozen bomb threats at polling places in the swing states makes it real suspect whether we actually did vote him in.
Musk buying his way into and out of everything should have always been a red flag into how the 2024 election was actually won.
Yeah, but his competition laughed a little too much or some other bullshit reason so we couldn’t have elected her.
Always has been.
Had you fooled for a while though, didn’t we? 👉😉👉