Shout them down in every space, make them embarrased to think the stupid shit they think.

If we don’t embarrass and correct them now we will have to kill them later when they come for our friends and families.

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    Yeah don’t let them have the swastika either.

    Wait… I’m hearing it’s too late for that. Damn.

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    This is why gatekeeping is actually important. But you’ve got to be sure you’re keeping out the people who want to change the group, rather than people who want to join it.

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    norse mythology: the bisexual dude who has a meathead son and an adopted genderfluid kid. doesn’t go anywhere without his horse-grandson. knows everything will go wrong when they get a dog.

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      Plus they associate war with masculinity and magic with femininity, and their main guy is the god of both. Women fought and men learned magic. Clearly gender was a pretty flexibly concept. (Not to even mention that we found what appears to be trans masc viking burials.)

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    I’ve read all the comments here and I’ve concluded that we don’t really have an effective way for dealing with this problem, although we all recognise the problem.

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      I will forever curse Milo Snuffaluffagus or whatever his name was for Gamergate.

      Especially since incompetent Games Jouranlism is and has been a problem for a long time, and now nothing will be done about it because any attempt to reform or shake up the industry is poisoned by the spectre of that bigoted sham.

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        Would you find comfort, or discomfort if i told you I’ve been a “gamer” since 1984, and I’m still not fully clear in wtf gamergate was?

        I’m aware it involved journalists and devs. The adhd kinda prevented anything beyond that.

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          The sneakiest thing about it is the issues it brought were geniune, but its desire to solve them was not.

          It was a movement that wanted to target game journalism acting in political interest more in gaming one, hiring journalists who were blatantly unqualified, giving games terrible review scores either for being “too difficult” or for not being “politically correct” enough

          Some infamous examples include a time when a game journalist was

          The problem? Gamergate was always a scam, the people behind the movement had no interest in addressing these concerns, but rather using them to indoctrinate gamers into the far right, and sadly it worked as we’re still having to fight off bigots in gaming who shit themselves whenever a rainbow shows up or god forbid anyone have a skintone that’s any darker than the quiet kid who hung out at Hot Topic loudly praising the Columbine Shooters back in 2005.

          And the actual problems Gamer Gate wanted to address continue to go unsolved, especially as we see remasters and remakes that are heavily censored compared to their original counterpart (Dead Rising 2006 Vs. Dead Rising 2024 is a good example) or worse, we see games that actively remove content for being too raunchy (Skull Girls basically lost its playerbase overnight by censoring out all of the fanservice in their fanservice game, which even went as far as removing fanart from the art book that they charged money for, falsely accused the original creator of being a pedophile, and claimed the fans upset about this change were also pedophiles… weirdly that didn’t win them back and the game has entered something of a dark age.), with games journalism carrying water for such atrocities.

          (You can say what you want about the morality of selling a game where you see the women’s panties during high kicks, the fact that the game was sold as a fanservice game for the better part of two decades and then suddenly EVERYONE’S COPIES were patched to remove that is wrong, it’s been rightfully compared to George Lucas breaking into your house to steal your VHS copies of the original trilogy and leave behind Special Edition Blu-Rays. While one of these characters was canonically 16 which is usually the defense for that, this only covers one character and even then her age came up so little in the story that I didn’t know until it was given as a reason for the change, but counter-point… Why draw attention to it instead of just quietly upping the age of an animated cartoon of a woman who doesn’t exist who is only ever given a solid number for her age when you check the wiki anyway?)

          There was also the infamous debacle of a game journalist who was mocked for giving Cuphead a bad review calling it too difficult, when the same journalist while filming himself trying to play it couldn’t pass a tutorial with literal written instructions on screen, he later was terrible at Doom Eternal and gave that a poor score too.

          So the company he worked for, instead of reprimanding him and teaching him to get good went “The gamers are to blame!”, and wrote slander articles trying to portray Cuphead as being racist. A claim that was basically laughed away from the fandom and quickly walked back.

          I was with Gamergate when it originally launched, but left when I found out the truth. Thankfully I’m a transwoman so it didn’t take me long to figure out that this wasn’t worth my time as my particular faction of it actually banned me for being a woman. I was told by some incel chud that I “Likely was just pretending to be a gamer to get a boyfriend” and that “Sorry honey this aint your dating app.”

          Then Gamergate as a whole tried to tell people that Mortal Kombat X wasn’t sexy enough and was trying to indoctrinate people into being gay, the latter of which was based on a single character having a single throw away line in the storyline not even said by him that implied it. (Same story mode also has the game being brought to a screeching halt so Johnny Cage and Sonya Blade can scream in each other’s faces about how they totally used to fuck, meaning ironically it’s heterosexuality that’s being shoved in player’s faces.), the former of which was based on the fact that the women are in their underwear but in the last game they had more revealing underwear.

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    I have a Celtic knot tattoo on my forearm (actually it’s the album cover of King Crimson’s album Discipline).
    My British friend told me I shouldn’t display that in public in the UK because people might think I’m a neonazi.
    I’m like fuck no, Celtic symbols don’t belong to Nazis and I won’t let them have it! Also, it’s a prog album cover wtf

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      Yeah, prog rock’s not very popular so most people won’t recognize it as what it is, unfortunately… However, I wear band tshirts like 80% of the time and by far the best reactions were to my Rush Tshirt. Followed by Riverside and KGLW.

      Anyway, fuck nazis !

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    There’s a specific breed of online Nazis who insist that it’s ‘punk’ to be Conservative.

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      Could you elaborate on this? I mean there’s Kanye obviously, but “killing hip hop” is a strong statement considering he fell off years ago.

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        The culture of “real” hip-hop is basically crime culture, within that crime culture the same methods of of fascist control are used. Like the way rappers attack one another and try to control people. Gangs intertwined with the culture. Gangs are fascist, they are Nazis, they abuse people for their own personal gains. Rappers are often a voice for that sort of shitty behavior.

        Just listen to any “gangster rap” they are all authoritarians raping other people’s lives.

        (Very generalized)

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          Gangsta rap culture has its roots in generational poverty and the Reagan-inflicted crack epidemic.

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          There’s a conspiracy theory going around that the music industry execs colluded to heavily promote gangsta rap over social-conscious rap during the 90’s, so that young black people would turn to a life of crime and fill up prisons, as they had recently invested in the nascent private prison industry.

          The only “proofs” are anonymous testimonies by self-described industry insiders, but the fact that rap wasn’t always about gangsta culture is real.

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            Honestly I fully believe it, especially since black people who get into music are pushed towards Rap and Hip Hop by their labels being told “This is the only black music that will sell”

            Women of all colors have similar things done with them, usually getting pushed into love songs.

            https://youtu.be/uAq6RjSuwXQ - Korn actually made a music video with black celebrities as stand-ins for the band solely to send the message of “If we were black, this song couldn’t exist because the industry is just that racist.”

            And I think it’s common knowledge that the song “Love Song”, was specifically in rebellion to the artist in question being told that women HAVE to do love songs.

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            If you told me that Suge Knight was responsible for the Lindbergh baby kidnapping, I’d believe you.

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            Well, Superman looked up at me,

            he said, “You rock so naturally”

            I said "Now that you’ve learned to deal, let me tell you why I’m so for real.

            I’m Cozmo D from outer space, I came to rock the human race.

            I do it right ‘cause I can’t do it wrong That’s why the whole world is singin’ this song"

            Ah, jam on it

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          “Very generalized” uhh, can you give some examples? Like, maybe if you squint at the 90’s West Coast/East Coast rivalry, but not really?

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    This is a wonderful point! I recall years ago reading the government said of the hippies that they just started selling them incense (to put it lightly) and it was one of the ways of taking them down from the inside. So this is an old trick used by many. Sucks how insidious it all is.

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    They already took flags in multiple countries.

    It’s always iffy when you carry the flag of your country because the people who do that tend to be assholes. Let’s not let them get anything else.

    And take the flags back too.

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    Not wrong at all, the Nazi Party co-opted and stole countless icons and imagery, the swastika itself was stolen.

    and the modern day Nazi Party in Russia at least, tries to steal entire letters of the Latin alphabet.