Luigi Mangione, who is charged with first-degree murder in the ambush killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, made the comments on a website set up by his defense.
But mass downvoting is a form of brigading, just look it up. And now you’re adding insults to the mix. Well done.
Again, I personally could not care less. But by behaving like this, you’re not encouraging people to share their thoughts (unless of course they agree with you, that’s different!). And you’re certainly not creating an “uplifting” community.
To be clear, I don’t care about your downvotes. I DO care that you’re excusing the inexcusable and helping to normalize political violence.
Preferably you should learn to deal with criticism, even if almost anyone is disagreeing with you. Crying on social media about a majority disagreeing only makes you look like a fool and basically animates a crowd of trolls to make fun of you. Also be aware that reactions to you so far were comparably civil, on more toxic platforms you’d have already been stomped into the ground.
If your sense of self-worth isn’t strong enough to deal with massive civil / anonymous disagreement by other people without resorting to throwing shit around you should focus on improving it first before writing comments about controversial topics.
No no, again, I don’t care about your “criticism” and your bullying and your mob behavior. I care that you are excusing murder and helping to normalize violence as a way to solve political problems. That is dangerous.
Stop moving the goalpost around, you literally cried about people “brigading”, “mob mentality” and threw insults about supposed insecurity around. People are rightfully calling that out.
The best thing you can now do is to, indeed, just shut up and go for a nice walk through the park or similar. Calm down, sleep a night over this, then come back and either delete your comments or apologize for lashing out (while clearly standing with your valid opinion) if you feel like it. But stop digging your grave even deeper.
I get that this topic is fucking rough. People are dying. People get killed. And your original opinion condemning violence and asking if such things should get posted here is a completely valid opinion. BUT what really screws you over now is your inability to not lash out when confronted with huge disagreement. Conflating this with your valid point won’t get you anywhere, it will only make you look like a fool even more, causing even more strongly worded disagreement (or trolling).
No one is celebrating murder. First of all Luigi is innocent, because the cops are incompetent and just grabbed the first patsy available. Secondly because no murder happened. What happened was the inevitable. When it becomes clear that there are no consequences for bad behavior of the ruling / owning class, we start chopping off heads and shooting people. Unions were the compromise, and they have murdered that compromise. It is time to bring back the fear that the rich felt during The Gilded Age.
You can try to reframe it as much as you want so that you don’t see grey, but the rest of us are celebrating a true American Folk Hero.
I’m going to ask again, Are you Dora the Explorer on an acid trip? You are completely incapable of not licking Boots. I don’t think that poor monkey needs much more of a tongue bath.
If you’re being attacked with the possibility of dying then defending yourself with equal force isn’t murder, it’s self-defense. If the attack is systemic and the system is objectively failing and beyond repair through its own institutions, then what would be a murder in different context becomes an action of self-defense.
The person killed was, without a doubt, a perpetrator of the system that caused phenomenal amounts of suffering and death. A system that couldn’t get fixed in decades. So what you call “excusing murder” others will call celebrating a hero.
For the same reason this community celebrates any news about big corpos and rich people getting screwed over. Because it’s a piece of fairness in a broken system. There is no hypocrisy if you allow to look through others people’s perspective; given this is a hard thing to do if you just got tons of very critical, if not offensively-critical replies, I see that.
That’s a more civil effort than your previous one. If you read the comments I’ve received, I think you’ll find that many of them were offensive. Lucky then that I don’t subscribe to harm-trauma-safety culture. Too bad for me if I get insulted! But a thoughtless comment is never going to inspire a thoughtful reply. And many of these comments are clearly just from people angry and surprised to have their views questioned.
I do understand the argument you are collectively making. I find it to be unconvincing sophistry. The murder victim was a “perpetrator” of a harmful system just as you and I are perpetrators of harmful systems. We live in a complex society full of harmful systems. But we don’t necessary all agree on what constitutes “harmful”, that’s why we have laws. And this guy broke none of them. If people find that to be a problem, then they need to get the law changed so that the penalty for being CEO of a health insurer is mandatory capital punishment with no appeals allowed. That way, everyone will know in advance where they stand, including him. To the extent that this is not the law, that’s on us collectively, not on him.
For instance, I personally consider that people who eat factory-farmed meat are responsible for perpetrating a system of terrible cruelty. Those people probably include you. Do I therefore have the right to gun you down in the street? Of course not. You broke no law and I don’t get to invent my own on the hoof. (I wouldn’t do it anyway because I believe murder is wrong is all circumstances bar none.)
It seems to me that nobody here is thinking very deeply about this question. Pure ethics aside, the future world you are all promoting is one of bloody chaos. It will certainly not be a democracy.
The mob is really against you here for showing rationality and thinking better of humanity. Thank you for giving the opposing viewpoint.
The rest of you.
Violence is only the answer after all other options are exhausted. Take this energy and make meaningful change.
Protest, Rally, and Vote people. We are in this situation because a massive amount of people fail at doing their part. Be a part of your community and influence your local governments.
Burden yourself with your own civic duties. People with the knowledge and influence are out there to make the changes we want to see happen. They need our help. We the people have to make ourselves heard and take back control of our lives, so that those capable people can do what needs to be done.
Don’t let our concepts of Life, Liberty, and Justice go silently into the night.
you aren’t contributing to the discussion in a meaningful way.
Seriously? What “discussion”? There is no discussion. Everybody agrees with you except me. And yet still that’s not enough, apparently. And what have you “contributed” exactly - except to say exactly the same thing that everybody else here is saying? Do you really come to a forum just to read people who already agree with you, and then write their own lines back to them? What’s the point? Validation? I don’t get it.
Shut the fuck up.
Just to be clear to anybody else here who wants a response: this was an exception. I will not reply to comments with insults, “shut the fuck up”, "everybody thinks you are [insert insult here]’ (is that supposed to be an argument?) etc etc. I’m not at primary school any more and I’ve got better things to do. What bothers me is apology for murder. So far there’s been about 3% serious good-faith attempts to justify it, the rest has been empty anger and insults. I’m happy to reply to the former. The latter I ignore.
I’ve contributed to the conversation by pointing out you’re a part of the problem, because you are. This limp dicked thinking is the reason liberals in the U.S. have been shifting further and further right these past 45+ years.
Had more been done to stop these people sooner, sure - we may have the luxury of not calling for people to die. We are running out of time, globally - and yes people like you need to get out of the way.
Where’s your attack on the violence dealt out by so-called health insurance companies then?
Just asking because you seem to have an issue with normalizing violence.
Your agenda is very one-sided.
Whatever that is, it’s not murder. My agenda has two points. I am against the killing of defenseless unarmed people in the street, whoever they are and whatever they have done, on grounds of basic ethics. And I’m against political assassination, on the grounds that it’s gratuitous and counter-productive.
So you choose to ignore corpo violence, because it’s not murder in your opinion.
That way you kind of normalize that violence.
I’m against the killing of defenseless sick people by health insurance denying claims.
I’m against economical assassination on the grounds that it’s despicable to collect insurance premium and embezzle insurance benefits instead of granting them.
And I’m happy that Luigi gets mail.
How is pointing out that Healthcare United had the highest claim rejection rate in America, known for its profit-based healthcare system, political assassination? “They’re making me look bad by pointing out the things I say, do, and believe!”
The downvote button is just a “I disagree” button. By saying you don’t want people to downvote you, you’re saying you don’t want people to disagree with you.
now you’re adding insults to the mix. Well done.
That’s a bit passive aggressive innit? I don’t think that was close to an insult.
you’re not encouraging people to share their thoughts
I think Luigi’s (theoretical) actions are the opposite of excusing the inexcusable. Murdering thousands a year for profit is inexcusable and should be stopped immediately. If that takes the death of the person orchestrating the murders, so be it. I see it as indirect self defense that’s just more controversial than direct self defense.
The CEO chose to kill people and accepted the risks that come with it.
First, to re-clarify, I don’t care about the downvotes myself. I’m a pretty resilient person, that won’t be enough to shut me up, which is apparently what you all want. I do care about the effect of the downvotes, which is to announce to everyone browsing this “discussion” that there’s a mob out, and you better say the right thing or else.
And I absolutely care about what so many people are doing here, which is to excuse murder and to normalize political violence. That’s because murder is inexcusable, period.
As if it matters, I also think that the abuses of the US healthcare system are also inexcusable. And therefore I’m not excusing them. To be glib, two wrongs do not make a right.
But mass downvoting is a form of brigading, just look it up. And now you’re adding insults to the mix. Well done.
Again, I personally could not care less. But by behaving like this, you’re not encouraging people to share their thoughts (unless of course they agree with you, that’s different!). And you’re certainly not creating an “uplifting” community.
To be clear, I don’t care about your downvotes. I DO care that you’re excusing the inexcusable and helping to normalize political violence.
You comment a lot for someone who could not care less.
Should I shut up so that nobody contradicts you?
Preferably you should learn to deal with criticism, even if almost anyone is disagreeing with you. Crying on social media about a majority disagreeing only makes you look like a fool and basically animates a crowd of trolls to make fun of you. Also be aware that reactions to you so far were comparably civil, on more toxic platforms you’d have already been stomped into the ground.
If your sense of self-worth isn’t strong enough to deal with massive civil / anonymous disagreement by other people without resorting to throwing shit around you should focus on improving it first before writing comments about controversial topics.
No no, again, I don’t care about your “criticism” and your bullying and your mob behavior. I care that you are excusing murder and helping to normalize violence as a way to solve political problems. That is dangerous.
Stop moving the goalpost around, you literally cried about people “brigading”, “mob mentality” and threw insults about supposed insecurity around. People are rightfully calling that out.
The best thing you can now do is to, indeed, just shut up and go for a nice walk through the park or similar. Calm down, sleep a night over this, then come back and either delete your comments or apologize for lashing out (while clearly standing with your valid opinion) if you feel like it. But stop digging your grave even deeper.
I get that this topic is fucking rough. People are dying. People get killed. And your original opinion condemning violence and asking if such things should get posted here is a completely valid opinion. BUT what really screws you over now is your inability to not lash out when confronted with huge disagreement. Conflating this with your valid point won’t get you anywhere, it will only make you look like a fool even more, causing even more strongly worded disagreement (or trolling).
The anger and insults and hypocrisy here are quite something.
Let’s get back to basics. There are lots of people here excusing murder. I am saying that is a bad thing. That is all.
No one is celebrating murder. First of all Luigi is innocent, because the cops are incompetent and just grabbed the first patsy available. Secondly because no murder happened. What happened was the inevitable. When it becomes clear that there are no consequences for bad behavior of the ruling / owning class, we start chopping off heads and shooting people. Unions were the compromise, and they have murdered that compromise. It is time to bring back the fear that the rich felt during The Gilded Age.
You can try to reframe it as much as you want so that you don’t see grey, but the rest of us are celebrating a true American Folk Hero.
I’m going to ask again, Are you Dora the Explorer on an acid trip? You are completely incapable of not licking Boots. I don’t think that poor monkey needs much more of a tongue bath.
If you’re being attacked with the possibility of dying then defending yourself with equal force isn’t murder, it’s self-defense. If the attack is systemic and the system is objectively failing and beyond repair through its own institutions, then what would be a murder in different context becomes an action of self-defense.
The person killed was, without a doubt, a perpetrator of the system that caused phenomenal amounts of suffering and death. A system that couldn’t get fixed in decades. So what you call “excusing murder” others will call celebrating a hero.
For the same reason this community celebrates any news about big corpos and rich people getting screwed over. Because it’s a piece of fairness in a broken system. There is no hypocrisy if you allow to look through others people’s perspective; given this is a hard thing to do if you just got tons of very critical, if not offensively-critical replies, I see that.
That’s a more civil effort than your previous one. If you read the comments I’ve received, I think you’ll find that many of them were offensive. Lucky then that I don’t subscribe to harm-trauma-safety culture. Too bad for me if I get insulted! But a thoughtless comment is never going to inspire a thoughtful reply. And many of these comments are clearly just from people angry and surprised to have their views questioned.
I do understand the argument you are collectively making. I find it to be unconvincing sophistry. The murder victim was a “perpetrator” of a harmful system just as you and I are perpetrators of harmful systems. We live in a complex society full of harmful systems. But we don’t necessary all agree on what constitutes “harmful”, that’s why we have laws. And this guy broke none of them. If people find that to be a problem, then they need to get the law changed so that the penalty for being CEO of a health insurer is mandatory capital punishment with no appeals allowed. That way, everyone will know in advance where they stand, including him. To the extent that this is not the law, that’s on us collectively, not on him.
For instance, I personally consider that people who eat factory-farmed meat are responsible for perpetrating a system of terrible cruelty. Those people probably include you. Do I therefore have the right to gun you down in the street? Of course not. You broke no law and I don’t get to invent my own on the hoof. (I wouldn’t do it anyway because I believe murder is wrong is all circumstances bar none.)
It seems to me that nobody here is thinking very deeply about this question. Pure ethics aside, the future world you are all promoting is one of bloody chaos. It will certainly not be a democracy.
The mob is really against you here for showing rationality and thinking better of humanity. Thank you for giving the opposing viewpoint.
The rest of you.
Violence is only the answer after all other options are exhausted. Take this energy and make meaningful change.
Protest, Rally, and Vote people. We are in this situation because a massive amount of people fail at doing their part. Be a part of your community and influence your local governments.
Burden yourself with your own civic duties. People with the knowledge and influence are out there to make the changes we want to see happen. They need our help. We the people have to make ourselves heard and take back control of our lives, so that those capable people can do what needs to be done.
Don’t let our concepts of Life, Liberty, and Justice go silently into the night.
Precisely
Thanks for the support! And to the handful of upvoters too. Nice to know I’m not completely alone.
You should probably shut up because nothing but shit oozes from your maw. Keeping your mouth shut so you can handle your shame in private.
I did. You’re lying. Check this if you don’t believe me: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brigading
They’re discouraging takes that go against the hive mind. Simple as is. Yours just happens to also be a really shitty take.
You cared enough to make a comment about it.
No, all of these people are telling you that you aren’t contributing to the discussion in a meaningful way.
These people are slowly but surely destroying the fabric of society and you’re sitting here clutching your pearls about murder? Shut the fuck up.
Seriously? What “discussion”? There is no discussion. Everybody agrees with you except me. And yet still that’s not enough, apparently. And what have you “contributed” exactly - except to say exactly the same thing that everybody else here is saying? Do you really come to a forum just to read people who already agree with you, and then write their own lines back to them? What’s the point? Validation? I don’t get it.
Just to be clear to anybody else here who wants a response: this was an exception. I will not reply to comments with insults, “shut the fuck up”, "everybody thinks you are [insert insult here]’ (is that supposed to be an argument?) etc etc. I’m not at primary school any more and I’ve got better things to do. What bothers me is apology for murder. So far there’s been about 3% serious good-faith attempts to justify it, the rest has been empty anger and insults. I’m happy to reply to the former. The latter I ignore.
I’ve contributed to the conversation by pointing out you’re a part of the problem, because you are. This limp dicked thinking is the reason liberals in the U.S. have been shifting further and further right these past 45+ years.
Had more been done to stop these people sooner, sure - we may have the luxury of not calling for people to die. We are running out of time, globally - and yes people like you need to get out of the way.
Stopped reading there.
I’m sorry that hit close to home, but then again you are being detestable. Read the room.
Still resorting to “read the room” in 2025, I see. Disappointing.
Where’s your attack on the violence dealt out by so-called health insurance companies then?
Just asking because you seem to have an issue with normalizing violence.
Your agenda is very one-sided.
Whatever that is, it’s not murder. My agenda has two points. I am against the killing of defenseless unarmed people in the street, whoever they are and whatever they have done, on grounds of basic ethics. And I’m against political assassination, on the grounds that it’s gratuitous and counter-productive.
So you choose to ignore corpo violence, because it’s not murder in your opinion.
That way you kind of normalize that violence.
I’m against the killing of defenseless sick people by health insurance denying claims.
I’m against economical assassination on the grounds that it’s despicable to collect insurance premium and embezzle insurance benefits instead of granting them.
And I’m happy that Luigi gets mail.
How is pointing out that Healthcare United had the highest claim rejection rate in America, known for its profit-based healthcare system, political assassination? “They’re making me look bad by pointing out the things I say, do, and believe!”
Some misunderstanding. Was talking about what the shooting suspect (almost certainly) did.
The downvote button is just a “I disagree” button. By saying you don’t want people to downvote you, you’re saying you don’t want people to disagree with you.
That’s a bit passive aggressive innit? I don’t think that was close to an insult.
this is !upliftingnews@lemmy.world, not !unpopularopinion@lemmy.world.
I think Luigi’s (theoretical) actions are the opposite of excusing the inexcusable. Murdering thousands a year for profit is inexcusable and should be stopped immediately. If that takes the death of the person orchestrating the murders, so be it. I see it as indirect self defense that’s just more controversial than direct self defense.
The CEO chose to kill people and accepted the risks that come with it.
I doubt that.
First, to re-clarify, I don’t care about the downvotes myself. I’m a pretty resilient person, that won’t be enough to shut me up, which is apparently what you all want. I do care about the effect of the downvotes, which is to announce to everyone browsing this “discussion” that there’s a mob out, and you better say the right thing or else.
And I absolutely care about what so many people are doing here, which is to excuse murder and to normalize political violence. That’s because murder is inexcusable, period.
As if it matters, I also think that the abuses of the US healthcare system are also inexcusable. And therefore I’m not excusing them. To be glib, two wrongs do not make a right.