• zbyte64@awful.systems
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      16 hours ago

      I mean there has always been illegal speech, we just don’t usually call it censorship.

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      “BAAAHHH!!! YOU’RE CENSORING MY HATE SPEECH, RACIST SLURS AND DEATH THREATS!!! WAAAAAAHHHHH!!!”

      That CANNOT be the arguement you stand behind.

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      We’re always redefining words, that’s how language works. This isn’t even close to the most egregious within the last couple decades.

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        Language works when words have a common meaning between the speaker and the listener. When 2 parties have 2 different interpretations of the same word because 1 decided they were going to manipulate into meaning something different from the commonly understood one, language breaks down, and we get senseless arguments among people who otherwise agree outside of semantics.

        So no, that’s not how language works.

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          Literally means figuratively now.

          Yes, language changes, that is why you don’t rely solely on individual words to define your argument.

          The reason people might argue despite agreeing outside semantics is that they never bothered to go beyond a very basic explanation of their argument. If your sole disagreement comes from a differing interpretation of a word… then do your best to define your argument better. Otherwise you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing.

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            Literally means figuratively now.

            Which is an excellent example of how stupid this is because this word has literally lost all meaning, thank you.

            then do your best to define your argument better.

            My argument is that manipulating definitions to suit an agenda is stupid nonsense.

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        Yeah, “purchasing” movies or shows comes to mind. When streaming services revoke access and never grant a way to download them, did you ever really purchase the movie or did you just rent it?

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          12 hours ago

          An excellent example of the negative impact of the manipulation of definitions.

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      It’s not a right to harass people, and you’re not entitled to others’ megaphones

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        I don’t disagree with you. But calling it anything other than what it is is disingenuous and misleading. Like when you buy a movie and it isn’t available to download and the streaming service takes away access, did you really purchase that movie or did you just rent it? Words have meaning is all I’m saying.

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          Words also have connotations.

          Human rights violations aside The EFF and Techdirt have already said that it is hate speech and effectively suppresses the free speech of gay and trans. Do you know better than these sources? The latter is like the very person who states that anti-hate speech laws are First Amendment violations. He said it loud and clear: this is actual censorship of LGBT voices.

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            I’d say that censorship when enacted by governments is violence and there’s no smaller minority than the individual. That said, if the UN Rights Chief wants to censor certain things, he should just say it. Besides, I don’t put much faith in an org who puts Iran as the chair of the human rights council. Stances like this and the OP’s link are reasons why there’s a ground swelling in the US for withdrawing from the UN.

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      It’s only censorship if it’s something I personally agree with.

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      Censorship means that some higher authority wants some information not to be seen by certain people. The target of censorship is therefore the readers/listeners and not primarily the person writing/speaking. Hence if the readers/listeners don’t actually want to read/hear the hateful drivel that some person shouts into the void, removing it isn’t censorship but content curation.

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        And what if 50% of people want to read what you consider hateful drivel?