Your assumptions preventing from giving this serious consideration:

• Bush or Americans were behind 9/11
• there has been any blowback for any of the staged military conflicts since WWII?

I’m not sure if you are making a statement or asking questions?

Are you saying I’m assuming bush or Americans were behind 9/11? Because I don’t agree with that statement.

Am I supposedly assuming there has or hasn’t been blowback? I’m not sure what you mean by staged military conflicts?

Imo American has a long history of experiencing blowback from our interventions since WW2.

911 was a brazen cascade foreign intelligence agency assault on the United States. The president and the cabinet were made aware of the impending attack. The attack A three stage attack comprising of wtc pentagon and the capitol. The demand was to start wars and at least outlined by Netanyahu in previous months and years in front of the UN security council.

I think you are giving the US foreign intelligence agency a lot more credit than they deserve. Yes there were warnings of an impending attack, but that’s not really super uncommon, nor is the failure to take those warnings seriously, or are failures in communication between intelligence agencies.

The demand was to start wars and at least outlined by Netanyahu in previous months and years in front of the UN security council. First Afghanistan, then Iraq then Syria than Lebanon and Iran.

I mean, you are attempting to connect over 20 years of history back to a singular event. 9/11 for sure influenced those events in some ways, but I wouldn’t believe that intelligence agencies had the ability to plan an event specifically with the goal of making those things happen.

It kinda ignores a grand series of policy failures of us leaders, and also takes away any sense of self autonomy from the people of those countries.

After each attack occurred to stop the other planes or let them reach their destination.

I don’t really know what you are saying here or how it connects to your previous claims?

Most likely the US was also told that these were Arabs doing this, And that this foreign intelligence agency could stop them at any moment if they agreed to their terms.

I’m sorry are you saying that it was done by a non US foreign intelligence agency? Or are you not counting the NSA or CIA as American? Are you claiming the mossad is behind 9/11? You are being very vague.

Every year since 911, With every action on every front and the Middle East, including the genocide and the US backed insurgency of Syria, one can see this plan come to fruition.

I think you would have to ignore an awful lot of factual history and policy taken by several different administrations to make the claim that some shadow organization has been maliciously running US policy for over 2 decades.

US has been a nuclear superpower since 1944.

• The USA did not just win WWII, And performed a military annexation of mainland Europe. This meant that the most free thinking and democratic part of the world will always think twice before criticising their ‘ally’

I think you have to be a little more clear about what you are trying to say here? Are you claiming the US took over Europe after WW2 and everyone was too afraid to do anything because of nukes, despite nthe fact that several people in Europe have nukes themselves?

you’re a massive country but not US aligned, how do you military strategise against that? China, Russia, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, not to mention the some off the other allies would all have made various attempts and some successful to infiltrate the country they can’t attack without risking the end of the world.

I mean, China and Russia were both allies during and for a short time after WW2 before the rise of red scare. India and Pakistan are probably a little more preoccupied with each other than the US. Saudi Arabia was and still is a close ally of the US…

You think they sat still for half a century? The US is an active culture ending threat if you’re not aligned with them.

I think you are forgetting about the whole Cold war thing that never really ended?

middle eastern policy has been dictated by a zionist death cult for decades if not centuries. They are very well funded, highly intelligent and organised and have their own spooks that can make any assassination look like an accident.

I think America’s support of Israel is pretty well documented… I don’t think they need to really manipulate the US with a 9/11 to get us to support their Zionism.

the longest time, the most common used method of an oppressor or aggressor is to either attack itself and pin the blame on the soon to be enemy, or to annoy the enemy enough and pester and poke them until they October 7 you (still make sure all border guards are down so they can do it unhindered)

I think you’re conflating a false flag (which rarely pan out well) with a false flag attack against your only real ally. False flag attacks have a pretty well established history of blowing up in people’s faces, and I don’t really think you’d risk doing a 9/11 against your longest established ally, when they are already supporting your every whim.

This also ignores the fact that al-queda had already tried to blow up the towers once before.

bunch of barely trained pilots fly 4 airliners directly to their destination, perfectly synchronised all within the same couple of hours in the most heavily guarded airspaces in the world and with the most sophisticated airliners…

I mean, one of them didn’t make it, and planes aren’t really that hard to fly. You can literally buy a simulator pilots utilize to practice and do fairly well after a couple hours. We don’t have fighter jets constantly flying around just waiting to shoot down any airliners that don’t check in on time. People used to regularly highjack aircraft all the time in the 70s.

• the military just happens to be doing anti hijacking drills at the exact time of events

Would kinda make sense considering there was intelligence that people were planning on highjacking planes.

3 massive steel structure buildings collaping at near freefall speed (1, 2 and 7)

Yeah, the towers were externally supported by cladding that pins to the top of the tower. In those buildings if the top falls into itself they have a cascading failure effect. They weren’t really massive steel buildings, they had a concrete and steel medial support column, but actually a lot less steel than nearly any other type of sky scraper. That’s why they were nearly see through in the right light. The aluminum cladding actually did the majority of the support in the superstructure.

the impact ring of the pentagon being enforced just months prior to the missile plane hitting it.

I don’t see how that really has much to do with anything? Material upgrades like that would probably take years to plan, fund, and implement.

no cctv footage of the plane hitting pentagon released till this day, bar a couple of video frames from one angle

Well first you say nothing has been released, then you say the video we have isn’t good enough? It was the early 00’s. Cameras weren’t as ubiquitous as they are now. If it wasn’t a plane, what happened to the planes and all the people in them? Why use planes for the towers and a missile for the Pentagon? If it I was the mossad who did 9/11 like you allude, how did they get a missile?

Sec Def announcement the day before that 2 trillion dollars of the military budget went missing

The NSA has a black budget of billions of dollars…that doesn’t mean we’re doing a hundred f 9/11s a year?

the massive amount of quick actions that followed in the fog of war in the hours and days later, how and why wtc7 was brought down, why the steel was shipped to China without investigation

Youd have to specify what quick actions you find suspicious, but I would think it to be abnormal if there wasn’t a swarm of activity after you kicked a hornets nest.

There was an investigation…the 9/11 commission came out with tons of data.

Your take is fine if you only briefly glance at it. Spend any more than 30 minutes on it and you’ll understand why we live in a clickbait, fast news distraction meme culture.

Your take only makes sense if you ignore the massive amounts of history and evidence that doesn’t fit your pet theory.

Understanding 9/11 is how I understand US foreign policy ever since.

Lol, so you don’t understand us foreign policy…gotcha.

Understanding 9/11 is how I understand US foreign policy ever since. We’re living in Animal Farm, and the world has let the world’s bully do what it did out of gratitude for WWII and because you keep your worst enemy closer than your friends.

What are you smoking? America didn’t win WW2… That ignores the fact that the Soviets did the majority of the fighting…where was their gratitude?

Your world view doesn’t make any sense and is fantastically ahistorical.

And Coup’s album cover depicted the twin towers exploding a few months before the attacks.

Are we suggesting the band and this show were somehow connected with the government…or the government planned their attack in a few months/weeks after witnessing these works?

The fact is that since they were built the towers were signals of the American empire and were obvious targets for terrorist organizations, especially after the first attempt to bomb them.

Meh, I don’t think there’s a need for conspiracy for 9/11 to be a legitimate terrorist attack. It gives too much credit to Bush and his ilk and down plays the political blowback of the US’s interventional history in the Middle East.

The term “never let a good crisis go to waste” has been around for a while.

Yeah, I double up on ear pro. It’s not comfortable, but I already have some hearing damage from my job.

If I ever ran a suppressor I’d rebuild my upper receiver for .300 black out, but I can’t see myself shelling out the money for the rebuild, tax stamp, suppressor…and paying a buck a round.

I feel like Trump is kinda the type of guy who would say shit just to stir the pot. Plus, fascist love for the public to think they are more competent than they really are, especially if it makes them seem like they are the underdog pulling one over on the establishment. Same thing works for musk.

Right now, the market for them is distorted by the tax stamp. Only a few people bother with the paperwork and fee (even though it’s been highly streamlined in recent years). That means companies producing them have to make up their costs with high prices rather than volume. It’s almost a stealth tax on top of the stated tax.

Oh I agree, I’m not saying that the system we have is great. I just don’t think the majority of people are buying suppressors because of the added hearing protection.

Personally I just don’t see the point of suppressors. Maybe if I had a bunch of land or something and got to shoot by myself all the time. But me having a suppressor isn’t going to help much if the guy in the lane next to me is shooting with a muzzle brake.

The cost of subsonic ammo alone is enough that I wouldn’t run a suppressor even if they were cheaper.

at least some of the concerns are about the young men being declared the “villains” and the other side declaring them to be the victims of injustice and they will gravitate toward the more workable messag

That’s because people are framing this as a false dichotomy. All the masculinity warriors all try to frame the world as men are warriors under attack, and if you don’t think so you’re a man hating feminist.

In reality the majority of young dudes are just spending too much time being manipulated online and are blaming hardships created by our form of economics on wokeness.

Sure a lot of guys are terrible, but the generalizations can make it feel like you can’t win.

Only if you are weak of mind. I’m a dude, when someone says all men are bad…which never really happens. I don’t really take them literally, and even if I someday do run into someone who means it literally. Who cares, people are allowed to have opinions.

generalizations can make it feel like you can’t win.

Says the person who based their rebuttal by believing in a fabricated false dichotomy.

when we say that Lemmy has a misogyny problem.

Yeah, it’s really disheartening that young men have decided to blame women for all their woes. I’m in my late thirties and it really seems like a reversal to me, instead of blaming late stage capitalism for disenfranchising their demographic they are somehow are blaming women.

Even if we hypothetically accept that “there is an attack on masculinity” who’s doing it? The vast majority of politicians are men, the vast majority of CEO are men, the vast majority of judges, lawyers, prosecutors… The list goes on and on. In nearly any hierarchical system of power in the world, men are in charge. So from whom is our masculinity really being attacked?

Gonna catch the down votes for this, but imo because our economic system has already exploited all other demographics, young white men are being systemically disenfranchised for the first time and are not dealing with it very well. Welcome to the club fellas, POC and especially women have been here the whole time!

There is no way anyone is pulling 350°F+ items out of an oven with their bare hands.

I used to be able to do that when I was working in a kitchen. If you burn your hands often enough you kinda build up a tolerance/calluses. We used to call it having asbestos hands.

the decibels a bit for hearing protection reasons

I mean, I’ve heard that from groups trying to pass laws to get rid of the tax stamp, but in all honesty everyone I’ve known who has a suppressor only has one because they think they are cool.

I mean you still have to wear hearing protection with them, especially if you’re at a range where the vast majority of people aren’t using a suppressor.

If you’re going to be spending money on getting a suppressor and shooting subsonic rounds I think most people will probably go for .300 blackout.

I mean it really does look that way…is there something about being a fascist that just fucks up your posture? All these guys and the tiki torch bros always end up having the same posture as those three little aliens from MIB.

I wonder if it’s that the only thing that can lure them from constantly shit posting on 4chan is the opportunity to engage in state sanctioned hate crimes?

Lol, I’ve never seen these guys before. I can imagine they might get a little too pressurized if you’re not careful. I just use old kimchi jars and keep them in a bowl in case my kimchi gets a little too excited and burps up some juice.

Yayaya, eating fresh kimchi is hard to resist but can be a tad too salty. I usually leave it out overnight with the jar placed in a clean bowl and the lid slightly open to let out any gas. You might get a little spillage from the juices, but you can just pour it back in from the clean bowl. Basically just gives the kimchi a little kick start for the fermentation, but I like my kimchi to have a little extra kick.

And what makes you think you know anything about people in the military?

Most people serving are young, undereducated, and in no position to challenge their higher command. You pretending that they are lawyers with guns is ridiculous, most of them are just kids who joined because they wanted an education or wanted to leave a dead end town.

Be careful with changing the salt ratio too much, it’s important to help stabilize it during fermentation. As the kimchi ferments it will become less salty tasting as the salt pulls liquid out of the radish.

I mean so are the shells tank fire. If you are hit hard enough to hit the fuel cell in a tank…you have other problems.

So your argument is that the government won’t follow the law, but soldiers will?

Is your reading comprehension okay? My point is that there is no real separation between the military and government. The military is led by the executive branch which ultimately hands out orders. The legality of those orders is not determined by the military, it’s determined by the judiciary branch. If the judiciary determines an order as legal, then the military has no choice but to execute the order.

Which means… The court system, which have been captured by the heritage foundation determines the legality of military borders.

You don’t know many people in the military.

Lol, my dad retired as a chief. I spent the first 16 years of my life growing up on military bases.

You’re missing the part where the non-loyal German soldiers would face harsh consequences, including execution, for failing to follow orders.

I already addressed that… American soldiers can also face harsh consequences for refusing “legal” orders. The legality of orders are determined by a military court which has a long history of being extremely biased toward protecting commanding officers.

Lol, my response was that you do not need abject loyalty in order to have the military use force against your own population. As I already stated Hitler never achieved abject loyalty over the military and regularly used the SS to oppress dissonance within Germany.

You then went on to claim that America is different because the Nuremberg trial made it to where soldiers could refuse illegal orders. I then responded with examples of why that wasn’t a valid argument.

Every one of my rebuttals have been direct responses to your claims, I even quoted what I was responding to…