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  • Thanks for a well-written reply. Here’s some quick responses:

    1… as mentioned the primary costs here come from increased crime which is hard to document. In high trust societies (which social welfare countries usually are) this has a disproportionately negative impact on the economy. Also, in several Scandinavian countries everyone has a right to emergency healthcare, regardless of their immigration status.

    2… I believe you’re correct when it comes to countries with less social welfare such as the US, however, this isn’t the case in countries with robust social welfare systems. As recently as 2023 Denmark assessed the net contribution of migrants and their descendants on the public finances and published the results. The sum total effect of migrants was negative (-19B DKK). Per capita the average Dane had an impact of (22k DKK) per year and the average migrant (-21k DKK). Some migrant/migrant descendant subgroups were better or worse than others (best 52k DKK, worst -109k).

    3… Sure, I assume this accounts for other societal costs such as law enforcement and crime?

    4… See the response to #2. The taxes don’t cover the costs.


  • If you have a society with robust social welfare systems - education, healthcare, social security, pensions, childcare, housing etc. etc., mass immigration becomes a massive problem.

    Everything is taken care of via taxes, and those taxes come from a productive working population. Slow population growth (whether from births or immigration) allows social institutions to expand at a matching rate over the decades.

    Rapid population increases from migration can overwhelm the systems in place and put society in a spot where it is no longer able to maintain them.

    Furthermore, when it comes to illegal immigrants, it gets doubly bad. They can’t hold down a legal job (at least in my country, and thus not pay taxes either), which inevitably pushes them towards crime or illegal jobs which brings a whole host of other issues.










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    After a quick look at the communities you’ve been banned from they are heavily moderated in ways that can seem very arbitrary to outsiders who don’t share their opinions.

    Communities on lemmy.ml: tankie echo chamber that bans anyone going against the narrative.

    Blahaj/womensstuff/lgbt…: “safe spaces” that will moderate anything that (subjectively) might be considered offensive/bothersome to their main user categories. Womensstuff bans all men.

    Whilst you in the Fediverse are free from the tyranny of a single overlord, you instead have to contend with all the little counts and lords you run into in their online fiefdoms. Thus: lower likelihood of getting a sitewide ban unless you are very extreme, but higher likelihood of accidentally stepping on someones toes and getting banned from a community by being a normal person.


  • for the sake of clarity, honesty and responsible communication

    No? We’re already using pseudonyms, which is intentional and has a purpose.

    at least have that vote public, IMO

    It already is public, just not easily accessible. Why do you want to know all the votes? A voter is not an active part of the conversation. I’d equate it to the audience cheering or booing on a talk show.

    For the ones actively participating you can read their comments and it’ll be obvious what their stance is.

    Ideally, votes wouldn’t exist

    Absolutely disagree on that one. Votes are a fundamental part of this type of social media, and the low-pressure interaction of up/down votes encourages a large number of people to interact and rank content. This shifts focus from the loudest/most active people dominating the space to the most widely appreciated content dominating the space. This is explicitly one of the parts I like about it.

    Also, more replies are not necessarily useful. Consider all the “This!” or “Same!” comments from Reddit. An up/down vote is much more information dense.

    Honestly it sounds to me like you actually want a forum based on fundamentally different mechanics. Technically it wouldn’t be that difficult to create a Lemmy clone that just scraps votes entirely from the UI, but you’d need a new way to rank content.

    In an ideal scenario I’d actually prefer the votes be entirely anonymous, but that’s just not feasible with the fediverse system.



  • The solution here is obvious - creating an instance and/or community with stricter moderation rules, much like blåhaj.zone.

    Each instance/community has the ability to set their own general rules and whilst (yes) this means that an individual person can’t guarantee their “safety” everywhere it does mean anyone can create their own little bubble and then pick & choose which parts of the fediverse to connect with.

    The fediverse is at its core a free speech project, which is why I like it. There are many other platforms out there that focus on safety.