I’m bi (specifically polysexual, but that gets confusing because its less well known and I’m also polyamorous) and my attraction to specific genitals is roughly equal to body morphology and a cute face’s importance, but I’m simply way less less picky about them.
I wish I was just as non-picky about the body morphology and cute faces. My romantic life would probably have been way more fulfilling at this point if that had been the case.
I oscillate between wishing I was attracted to basically everyone with every possible kink (outside of the unethical options) and no attraction at all.
Yeah this is unacceptable behavior. That said I think this is something that ought to be just explained to him because he might legitimately be a total dumbass.
That said I wish more restaurants were like Fuddruckers or Firehouse Subs and just let me grab my food from the counter myself once it was done. I don’t really want to pay someone to carry my food & drinks to me and be possibly insincerely nice to me to increase their tip or whatever.
And I’m not saying that homophobia, internalized or not, shouldn’t be considered.
Yeah I know you aren’t saying that. In the same way that I’d still consider sexism/mysogyny as a possibility of being their primary reason. Its just not my first thought based on my experiences and intuition.
As you say, there are other reasons to engage in such behavior. But a) I’m probably going to be reasonably skeptical of those reasons and b) even if they have those reasons, it doesn’t make them not a misogynist.
FWIW I’m gay and nonbinary. I get where concern for homophobia is coming from. It’s just not my first thought in the specific scenario we’re discussing.
Yeah I understand that is your stance, what I don’t understand is why you’d suspect that over homophobia. That’s what I’m legitimately curious about.
Like, is it the same as me, in that its based on your personal experiences and knowledge of your own internal knowledge of your mind when you were younger? Is it more of some kind of logical/rational analysis? or statistical fact? Is it intuition? Ideological frameworks?
I just don’t understand why this is your thinking and I’d like to know. I’m not saying you are wrong, my own beliefs aren’t on like, rock solid critical thinking or facts or whatever. Its personal experience.
If you think we were worse off 20 years ago, you either are a psychopath or you are clueless.
Life is going to get a whole hell of a lot worse for a fuck ton of people because Trump won. Way more than during W. Bush.
That’s not what the people who are gleeful about his impending death are downright cheering about. They’re gleeful because of their parasocial hatred of the man.
What you are talking about is an entirely different discussion. You are just shifting the goalposts.
I hate Biden because he had a major hand in letting Trump win, but I legitimately do not give a fuck that hes dying of cancer, pro or con. He is irrelevant now. And the people invested in this are experiencing their own derangement syndrome, only worse than most cases because Biden is no longer even president.
You are OK with death and suffering if there is a light at the end of a tunnel. You are a psychopath who views individuals as disposable as long as humanity/civilization benefits in the long run.
If you’re interested in discourse, read what I already wrote. I said “I’d be more worried about misogyny” not that it would in fact make a person misogynistic.
I’m terribly sorry but I’m confused by what the meaningful difference is? I feel like you were trying to communicate something very specific here and I’m missing it.
Is is a problem to acknowledge that some people who would engage in that kind of behavior might be misogynistic in your mind?
No, its not a problem exactly. Its a reasonable possibility and it makes sense to be concerned about. A lot of men are dumb chuds, and women-hatred goes along with that. However, I don’t think its realistic as a base assumption that its a larger possibility over homophobia for it to be your primary concern. Admittedly, this is more based on my own experiences though and trying to put myself in the shoes of someone who’d care to install something like that.
Like, I know I clearly had internalized homophobia when I thought I was straight. And I was exposed to a lot more homophobia from my male peers than misogyny growing up. I saw and heard both, but one was WAY more intense and it was the homophobia.
That is to say, I’d bet the reason a person would do this is because of insecurity over potentially being gay/bi far more than because they are that obsessed with “putting women in their place” in their private video game time, other than on the basis of using the game as porn/erotica if they have some kind of kink and for whatever reason like using video games for that purpose rather than just regular purpose made porn/erotica.
The sort of guy who’s primary reason for wanting to flatten men’s asses in a video game would be because they view women as subhuman or something would make them unhinged and a rare breed of incel. While it being because they’re insecure about their sexuality seems just… more likely to me.
I would have fought with you maybe if some people (supposedly “on my side”) had not decided to spitefully activate hard mode.
I was in greater despair over the US about 20 years ago.
Then either you are a fascist or you aren’t paying attention.
EDIT: Or an accelerationist. In which case also still just a fascist but a more delusional one.
You aren’t getting laid if you are broke, unless you are very very hot or very very charismatic.
I’m not trying to change your mind I’m earnestly curious about how you think. My question was good faith. I promise.
If it theoretically ended up changing your mind or making you dig your heels in, so be it in either case. That’s not what I want to achieve here in asking you about your perception.
I also earnestly just enjoy discourse.
If you don’t want to answer though, that’s fine. I’ll leave you be.
So what are you saying, that a Californian progressive who voted for Stein made a dumb choice and the one who voted for Harris made the smart choice?
Blue states are the area where my argument is weakest, but honestly as a means of voting against Trump I’d probably still vote Harris if I lived in Cali. I’m less judgemental of people in solid blue states here voting third party, but I still think voting third party even then introduces future risk of vote splitting, but its a gaussian and temporal risk. So its hard to conceptualize.
Further, doing so and openly stating you intend to do so encourages people in purple and red states to potentially do the same. And lets be completely honest here: third party voters are going to be incredibly vocal about their vote. Third party and non-voters fucking love jerking themselves off about how virtuous they are for not voting for Harris.
Hypothetical, but still, who would you vote for?
I don’t know. But not for fucking Jill Stein and can tell you that much. I wouldn’t trust her 180 on Ukraine at all and there are other stances of hers I think are dumb. Nor would I likely bother with a different third party. I’d probably look look very closely at my options between red and blue. And I’d probably grit my teeth and vote for Biden depending on how he campaigned but I’d not be nearly as terrified since Trump is out of the picture.
And that’s the rub: in your scenario fascism is not on the ballot. The stakes are significantly lower. So the details would matter more.
Did Harris even publicly utter the phrases “ranked balloting” or “proportional representation” in 2024?
I don’t think she did, but neither did Trump. And in fact Trump is largely interested in destroying what little democracy we have.
I’m going to be honest though, it might as well all be hypothetical. Americans are fucked. Its game over, and we very very much deserve what’s coming.
What if I don’t give a flying fuck about Biden? And I find both the people dancing about his nearing demise and the people clutching their pearls about that fucking stupid? There are almost certainly more important things of substance to place your energy into.
I’m so fucking tired.
So if they feel the need to desexualize men and leave women in sexual roles, it tells me something about how they see women.
It tells you how they see people they’re attracted to. Which happens to be women. (and maybe men but they’re denying that potentiality to themselves possibly)
I find both men and women physically attractive, but I do not find all men and women physically attractive. If I installed a mod that de-sexualized certain people but not by gender, would that mean I’m objectifying the people I find attractive?
Culture obviously plays a role here in making men see women as merely potential sexual play things. Even when I thought I was straight I never understood this on a personal level, because a major factor in finding someone sexy for me is precisely that they are not an object.
That’s what I suspected you meant. I agree that it is (partially) irrelevant to the topic of this post, but still I think its interesting enough that I want to engage with it if you don’t mind.
Sexualization is not intrinsically objectification. It can be but you’d have to make an assumption about their motivations for installing such a mod that I think is unrealistic in that case.
Further, keeping character’s you find attractive sexy and de-sexing characters who you (think you) find unnattractive on your own local private play through seems like something a person would do for the sake of enhancing a private fantasy. It’d be that they are treating the game as at least partly an erotic experience would be my assumption that would be damaged for them if the sexualization of certain character hurts that experience for them.
Of course I should reiterate that I’ve not played the game. So I might be missing some context. I have played Skyrim loaded with, ah-hem… certain mods. And I know why I installed those, and it wasn’t because I wanted to embrace objectification.
Yes, I think it’s from Twain.
Its commonly misattributed to him.
I backed my assertions with stats, however poor you think they are as analysis.
Your assertion is too vague to rebut directly. And I did not say stats are “poor analysis” I said using stats on their own without the background in contextualizing stats makes any analysis nearly worthless.
What do yo back up your assertions with, other than lame DNC, CNN, and Vaush talking points?
So you already have made up your mind about what and how I think allowing you to dismiss my actual points contained in my post, which you’ve conveniently ignored.
So I’ll repost my most important point: The core fact remains that voting for a third party under a first past the post system is risking permitting the greater evil to win.
I assume just Asterion’s given that’s what the tweet suggests.
If it were all male characters and none of the female characters I’d be more concerned about sexism than homophobia. But that’s just me.
That’s an interesting take, could you elaborate?
He was being a bad person the moment he thought “I hope she gets abused by her boyfriend.” No need to do research on the guy after that point.
That said, he’d only saying that because hes incredibly close to being depressed and in extreme self loathing in response to being rejected and trying to protect his his will to live via delusional projection and lashing out. “She’s the one with a problem not me. I’m great. She’s a piece of shit and deserves to suffer.”
People who don’t delude themselves about how great they are unfortunately usually don’t respond to rejection with “I need to improve myself” or “I’m just not his/her type I’ll find someone.” but with “I should kill myself, its hopeless. I’ll be romantically alone forever and I can’t take it.” and the sheer mortal terror of potentially thinking that way causes the delusional insulation and projection.