• OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca
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    2 days ago

    When one side is committing genocide and the other side wants no genocide, you don’t pick the middle and support half-genocide.

    • ReCursing@lemmings.world
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      2 days ago

      More accurate would be “Committing genocide” and “Wants to commit genocide but doesn’t have the guns”, with the majority of the actual population on both sides (rather than the politicians and emboldened extremists) just wanting to not be genocided. Personally I’m picking the “chuck the politicians in a hole and let the people live” option. No idea what the ideal solution looks like but I feel like getting the fascists and religious extremists on both sides out of the equation would be a good starting point

      • theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works
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        2 days ago

        Hamas wouldn’t exist if Israel didn’t commit genocide. You can’t win a war on terror. You can stop “terrorists” without hurting a single person though.

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          19 hours ago

          Hamas would not exist if Israel didn’t, it’s true, but the opposition to Israel did not originally come from genocide, Israel was attacked almost immediately upon its foundation. Whether putting there was a good idea or not is debatable (well okay it was an awful idea, but one of the other places they considered was Yugoslavia, which I’m sure would have been perfectly safe!) but Hamas and their ilk did not appear in response to Israel committing genocide

          • kreskin@lemmy.world
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            18 hours ago

            Israel was attacked almost immediately upon its foundation

            It was attacked for a reason. Pretending otherwise is dishonest. The Nakba led to the attacks.

            “The Nakba, Arabic for “catastrophe,” refers to the 700,000 Palestinians who fled or were driven out of what today is Israel before and during the war surrounding its creation in 1948.”

            https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/palestinians-mark-the-nakba-the-original-catastrophe-of-mass-expulsion

            Do you see the “before” in that quote? The Nakba was the cause of the attacks.

            Beyond that israel was attacking the british and muslims in the area before israel became a nation-state again. This isnt the first israeli genocide in that area in service of building a new kingdom either. Its the third or fourth, depending how you count ethnic mass murders sprees of innocents as genocides. And Zealot/Zionist (Jewish far right splinter groups) terrorism has been ongoing since early Roman times at least.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish–Roman_wars

            For those reasons alone, Israel should not have been granted statehood by the UN. Maybe the UN. thought giving them the state would settle the issue and the murders would stop, but the desire for ever more land shows no signs of stopping, and knows no shame or humanity.

            • ReCursing@lemmings.world
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              18 hours ago

              You act like I’m defending israel. I’m not. I’m just refusing to0 defend Hamas either.

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                4 hours ago

                Fair enough. yes, I see in your previous comments you were thumping on @eldritch, so you are a certified good person in my book.

      • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
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        2 days ago

        Yes, an Israeli government that recognizes Palestinians as people is the first step then hoping the olive branch extends to the other side

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        2 days ago

        Just have to love that you get downvoted for this. Delusional people here as if Hamas would not murder them all. What they had in their constitution does not matter, because they are ignorant.