More than 100 Arizona Palestinian, Arab, Muslim, and progressive Democrats and community leaders have signed a letter making the case for those reluctant to support Kamala Harris against Donald Trump.

“We know that many in our communities are resistant to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Biden administration’s complicity in the genocide,” the letter, published Thursday night, reads.

“Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon. We respect those who feel they simply can’t vote for a member of the administration that sent the bombs that may have killed their loved ones,” the letter continued. “As we consider the full situation carefully, however, we conclude that voting for Kamala Harris is the best option for the Palestinian cause and all of our communities.”

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    17 days ago

    Unconditional support for genocide cannot be made any more maximalist. There is no BadB to add.

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        The genocide itself cannot be made more maximalist. You mean there is another category.

        I reject that argumentation as well, as genocide should be a red line. You don’t get to come back from that. You cannot put salve on that wound so easily. Look at yourself in the mirror and see if you can withstand it. And if you can, ask yourself why anyone should look to you for solidarity and what you would be doing in Germany 1930, in the US in 1855. Would you be the abolitionist? Would you be the person fighting against fascists? Or would you be the “pragmatist” supporting regulation of slavery, the Whigs, and compromise with monarchists and liberals?

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          When there aren’t any Palestinians left when Trump gets elected I hope you revisit your opinions and I hope you you can’t look yourself in the mirror. I know it feels great acting morally superior, but your not sacrificing your own life. Your sacrificing others lives for that feeling. It doesn’t hurt you, so you can keep pretending like you’re better than others for “drawing a line” but you’re not the people who are being killed and Trump is saying to finish.

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            You’re assuming this person is arguing in good faith and doesn’t want this genocide to be kicked up a notch.

            I mean imagine trying to argue that it’s not possible to do that. I mean read a fucking WW2 history book for fuck sake

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            When there aren’t any Palestinians left when Trump gets elected I hope you revisit your opinions and I hope you you can’t look yourself in the mirror.

            The Biden-Harris administration is genociding Palestinians. I am not supporting any genociders. I work against them instead of attempting to support one or the other. I can easily look myself in the mirror, I am satisfied with my work.

            I know it feels great acting morally superior, but your not sacrificing your own life. Your sacrificing others lives for that feeling.

            Oh? Tell me more about what I do and what I risk, anonymous internet stranger. You have, presumably, doxxed me. Let’s see the deets.

            It doesn’t hurt you, so you can keep pretending like you’re better than others for “drawing a line” but you’re not the people who are being killed and Trump is saying to finish.

            Should I tell this to my Palestinian compatriots that are nothing but contemptuous for those justifying supporting genociders?

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              Should I tell this to my Palestinian compatriots that are nothing but contemptuous for those justifying supporting genociders?

              Sure, but you better make sure that you do it before January 6th, because if Trump wins, it is not going to take very long for Netanyahu to kill every Palestinian in Gaza.

              But I’m sure by then you will have found some way to absolve yourself (either that, or it’s literally the outcome you want).

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                Sure, but you better make sure that you do it before January 6th, because if Trump wins, it is not going to take very long for Netanyahu to kill every Palestinian in Gaza.

                Netanyahu already has unconditional support from the US. You cannot just pretend your way into putting a bigger gun to someone’s head. The Biden-Harris regime is genociding Gaza and rather than oppose it, you are defending them.

                But I’m sure by then you will have found some way to absolve yourself (either that, or it’s literally the outcome you want).

                I require no absolution, I work against genocide.

                You betray your guilty conscience with your incredibly selective responses, though.

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          The genocide itself cannot be made more maximalist.

          This is so idiotic and completely ahistorical. You’re giving away the game here. Again.

          Please, tell me more about Germany in the 1930s and how, after they murdered the trans folks, and the gays, and then the socialist (yeah, they were pretty high up on the list), the genocide just could not have gotten worse.

          Please, I’d love to hear more.

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            Please, tell me more about Germany in the 1930s and how, after they murdered the trans folks, and the gays, and then the socialist (yeah, they were pretty high up on the list), the genocide just could not have gotten worse.

            Palestine is already being ethnically cleansed and Israel is bombing 3 of its neighbors and invading one. All of this happens with the permission and necessary support of the Biden-Harris administration and it is maximalist.

            Under the Nazis in WWII, the “final solution” was actually fairly ad hoc. It was not the original plan, of which there were several that they scrambled around for, some of which were simply made unfeasible, like The Madagascar Plan. There were also plans to create reservations, modeled after the US system. Oppressing their primary scapegoat was the consistent plan, but it’s exact form was easily negotiable among them, it was not seen as a core necessity to run an extermination campaign or complete expulsion. Presumably you, someone being very condescending to me about history because I tell you not to support genocide, is aware of this.

            Israel is actually different in thus regard. It’s existence has always been premised on the displacement and ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population. Its founders spoke and wrote openly of this and participated in pogroms of Palestinians. The Zionist entity is not suddenly doing genocide, it has been for decades, it has just dialed it up to a maximalist degree given its capabilities and interest in self-preservation. But do not forget that it has never stopped expanding and engaging in settler-colonialism, never stopped engaging in pogroms, never stopped dividing The West Bank into concentration camps, districts smaller than those in Apartheid South Africa, never stopped considering Palestinians subhuman.

            Be on the right side of history.

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              Are you writing this comment while outside actively protesting the genocide? Cause if not, then you’re literally doing nothing to stop this. And no, voting third party might ease your conscience, but it’s not actually doing anything for Palestinians. Like… 200+ years of pointlessly voting third party has pretty much proved that. But you use words such as “pogroms” and you believe you’re right so most likely nothing I say will change your mind. But it might sway whoever reads this, so… Here’s to hoping your bullshit gets understood as such.

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                Are you writing this comment while outside actively protesting the genocide?

                I do much more than protest.

                Cause if not, then you’re literally doing nothing to stop this.

                I agree that what I am asking people here to do is a very low bar! Just not supporting genocide is very little to ask. It can be accomplished passively. So can you commit to not voting for Harris and to not tell other people to do so?

                And no, voting third party might ease your conscience, but it’s not actually doing anything for Palestinians.

                Voting for an anti-genocide candidate signals being against genocide. It is important to build the power of that group and for Democrats to internalize, to at least some degree, that genocide is unacceptable.

                Like… 200+ years of pointlessly voting third party has pretty much proved that.

                Is that do? What happened to the Whigs?

                But you use words such as “pogroms” and you believe you’re right so most likely nothing I say will change your mind.

                They are pogroms. Do not out them in quotes unless you are denying that they happen.

                But it might sway whoever reads this, so… Here’s to hoping your bullshit gets understood as such.

                Never again means never again for anyone.