• doben@lemmy.ml
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      6 days ago

      Not trying to offend, take it as a perspective from outside.

      You have a nationalist mindset and are identifying so much with it your nation state, that you‘re automatically equating it with the people living there (mostly themselves oppressed mind you) and jump straight to projection of what would happen, because it‘s exactly what your nation state has done throughout its history, your logical conclusion — war, destruction, mass murder.

      Nobody said that, nobody meant that, nobody wants that, but you got triggered, because your first instinct is to be a proud American. You think that about sums it up?

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        I think what sums all these kinds of threads up is “nuh uh, what you said doesn’t matter as much as what I said.”

        You, like the other guy, have no idea what I meant or am thinking, but you’re acting as though you can read my mind perfectly. What I said has NOTHING to do with nationalism. And I don’t really feel like explaining myself to people who already incorrectly decided what I’m thinking.

        edit: also, I am most certainly not proud to be american. You pulled that out of your ass because it certainly has fuck-all to do with what I wrote.

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          6 days ago

          Of course, I pulled all of that out of my ass. Just trying to give you my honest understanding of your state of mind, based on the exchanges on this post.

          You basically said “I don’t wanna hear it”, after they tried to overcome your very idea, that they must have meant to kill the people of the USA. An idea so wild, that it only can be manifested through completely equating the citizens of a nation state with the nation state itself.

          Being nationalist is a default state of mind in this world of nation states, it’s what states do, they nurture a national identity within their citizens. Saying you are nationalist is not necessarily an attack, but mostly a description. People tend to take it as an attack, because they have a vague idea, that identifying with their state a bit too much is a bad thing.

          So you reject the idea, yet you act on it.
          You can’t stand the idea of someone wishing for your nation state to vanish. Because you identify with it.

          So you make up vibes-based arguments like
          “this guy is an accelerationist” - judged based on what now?;
          “they want to kill all citizens” - which is a thought only in your head; and
          “people outside of the USA will get hurt, if it suddenly seizes to exist” - nobody said that, that’s unrealistic. But we could discuss the topic. Empires do end, people get hurt, sure. But people around the world get hurt every fucking day because of its sole existence and it’s not getting any better, so it’s a moot argument, if you don’t actually qualify your take. You don’t, tho, because it’s just a vibe. It’s not based on logic or knowledge, you just don’t like the idea.

          All you do is complain based on opposition to what you feel. And from outside, you seem to not like the idea of America going down the drain … it seems like you can’t even conceptualize the idea or have a realistic understanding of what the US actually is in the world order, so it’s hard to even discuss it with you.

          You don’t need to agree with me, it’s just an interpretation of my perception of your engagement. I’m also not going for a back-and-forth now. Take it or leave it.

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            What a ridiculous response. “You’re obviously nationalist if you take vague words at face value!”

            Nope, fuck America and I’m not sure what you’re talking about with most of what I read, I had to stop. It’s just absurd… It’s not worth relitigating that exchange even if I hadn’t blocked the user…

            Edit: I skimmed this some more and boy do you people have no reading comprehension. I asked for an explanation of what that phrase means and you both made up tons of shit, you fucking trolls.