Socialism refers to collective ownership of the means of production. Social democracy refers to a capitalist market economy supplemented by welfare programs, labor protections, and public services. The two terms are not interchangeable despite frequent misuse on the internet. You are describing and advocating for social democracy not socialism.
The difference between social democracy and Democratic socialism is the same as the difference between Catholicism and protestantism.
Both in effect. Advocate for severe corporate limitations and an abundance of social welfare programs. Which I’m 100% behind. By the way, they totally support either one of these political statements.
In a sense yes. Both Burnie and AOC describ themselves as democratic socialists but neither of them have ever advocated for the public ownership of production like in pure socialism. They have always supplimented they’re political views along with democracy.
So simple calling them socialists is incorrect. Also keep in mind that both of them are part of the DNC.
Edit: Bernie Sanders is registered as an independent and AOC is not part of the DNC.
No. That is an extremely common misconception that people try to argue for on this platform, but it is ultimately incorrect.
Virtually any form of government can incorporate things like public transportation, state-run utilities, and stronger protections for unions. None of those things, by themselves, make a system socialist.
Socialism is specifically an economic system in which the means of production are owned and controlled collectively, either by the public or by the workers themselves.
What you’re describing are social welfare programs. The word “social” is one of those confusing and often misused words in the English language. Different terms can sound almost identical while referring to fundamentally different concepts. Social welfare is not socialism, even though the two terms sound similar.
At this point, I’m just celebrating because I would take even democratic socialism in this country at this point. Also, I guarantee the majority of people aren’t gonna care to distinguish the 2, sadly.
The word, social socialism socialist in the English language means so many different things and have so many distinct definitions. No layperson can possibly keep up with it it’s crazy.
No. The socialist movement is not growing.
The democratic socialist movement is growing.
I’ll leave you with my standard disclaimer:
https://youtube.com/shorts/zMmjKRettxA
Why does this post start talking about democratic socialism then link to a description of social democracy? Those are not the same thing.
In America, liberalism is called leftism, leftism is called fascism, and fascism is called bipartisan common-sense politics.
The nuances between Social democracy and Democratic socialism never stands a chance in public discourse.
The difference between social democracy and Democratic socialism is the same as the difference between Catholicism and protestantism.
Both in effect. Advocate for severe corporate limitations and an abundance of social welfare programs. Which I’m 100% behind. By the way, they totally support either one of these political statements.
You literally said Democratic Socialism and linked a quote contrasting Socialism (generally) to Social Democracy, not Democratic Socialism.
Dem soc =/= Soc dem
Democratic socialists are socialists, social democrats are not.
In a sense yes. Both Burnie and AOC describ themselves as democratic socialists but neither of them have ever advocated for the public ownership of production like in pure socialism. They have always supplimented they’re political views along with democracy.
So simple calling them socialists is incorrect. Also keep in mind that both of them are part of the DNC.
Edit: Bernie Sanders is registered as an independent and AOC is not part of the DNC.
Public ownership of production: isn’t that advocacy for public sector like public transport, state run utilities, stronger backing of unions.
No. That is an extremely common misconception that people try to argue for on this platform, but it is ultimately incorrect.
Virtually any form of government can incorporate things like public transportation, state-run utilities, and stronger protections for unions. None of those things, by themselves, make a system socialist.
Socialism is specifically an economic system in which the means of production are owned and controlled collectively, either by the public or by the workers themselves.
What you’re describing are social welfare programs. The word “social” is one of those confusing and often misused words in the English language. Different terms can sound almost identical while referring to fundamentally different concepts. Social welfare is not socialism, even though the two terms sound similar.
Bernie’s actually not part of the DNC. He is registered as an independent.
This is correct. I stand correct.
I believe neither of them are part of the DNC. They do caucus with the Democrats because the other option is the Republicans.
You may be correct. They both have always thrown their hats and with the Democrats now as far as I can tell anyway.
they have no choice. Being in a legislature requires compromise, or you can be 1 term idealistic representative who achieves nothing during your term.
baby steps
At this point, I’m just celebrating because I would take even democratic socialism in this country at this point. Also, I guarantee the majority of people aren’t gonna care to distinguish the 2, sadly.
Agreed and most don’t which is why I have a disclaimer to start with.
Leave it to the USA to name two completely unrelated things the same name, because it hates both equally and doesn’t distinguish either.
Don’t even get me started dude.
The word, social socialism socialist in the English language means so many different things and have so many distinct definitions. No layperson can possibly keep up with it it’s crazy.