• vanta rainbow black@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    14 hours ago

    here’s a really good punk song about this

    Dog Park Dissidents - Class Struggle

    we’re only free to be you and me to the degree

    capital and the state consent

    we only live our lives and we can only thrive

    within the boundaries they have set

    they’ll only leave us alone to do what they condone

    and only till they raise our rent

    we’re only free to be you and me to the degree

    capital and the state consent

    queer liberation is class struggle

    no money, no freedom

    queer liberation is class struggle

    they can take it away until we make them pay

    queer liberation is class struggle

    queer liberation is class struggle

    queer liberation is class struggle

    till we’re free to be you and me without their consent

    EDIT: sorry for the weird formatting, tried to do it better at first but it kept eating the line breaks for some reason

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    If you do root cause analysis on most of society’s ills, you pretty much always eventually arrive at “the economic and political system we use, is actively harmful to the vast majority of people”

    Literally I can’t think of a single big problem we’re facing where this isn’t the case.

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      14 hours ago

      There’s some stuff it doesn’t cause, only entrenches or exacerbates! Therefore you’re communist lies and everything you say is invalid!

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      Literally I can’t think of a single big problem we’re facing where this isn’t the case

      I’m almost positive that the lackluster season of Liverpool FC can’t be attributed to politics in general or economics in particular.

      Granted, most people wouldn’t consider my favorite sportball team not playing well to be a major problem, but that’s just because most people are wrong 🤷

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    20 hours ago

    There is no liberation for anyone in a capitalist system. Queer people may be affected more than the average person, but we’re all targets of capitalist exploitation.

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    23 hours ago

    But also there is no liberation for anyone under capitalism. The queer community is particularly targeted but no one is “safe.”

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    20 hours ago

    My country, Hungary had a problem with grooming, some of which was legal, due to low age of consent. Then Fidesz declared the problem was gay people in cartoons.

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    Sometimes I wonder if all the talk about minority rights isn’t largely a distraction.

    If you have a decent wage, job security, a roof over your head, and decent healthcare, you can largely insulate yourself from bigotry and predjudice.

    Then again, if the state is out to get you, no amount of money will save you. It can even make you a target, as history teaches us.

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      Sometimes I wonder if all the talk about minority rights isn’t largely a distraction.

      As a minority I wouldn’t say it is.

      Although it is certainly weaponised into culture war by the right to kill us.

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        Maybe it’s because I’m not an obvious minority, but if I had a decent wage, housing, healthcare, etc. I feel I would be better able to work on my mental health, deal with trauma, and be in a better position to advocate for myself. It’s hard to fight for your rights if you’re shackled at the knee. Or maybe I’m just annoyed by performative BS by people who don’t actually do much to help.

        I can’t help but think there’s a lot of dividing and conquering going on too. Pitting people who have common cause against each other, so we don’t realise the real fight is against the rich cunts who want us to believe there isn’t enough to go around.

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      24 hours ago

      Decent wage, job security, an affordable roof, and access to Healthcare is all things minorities have less access to. Each of those 4 things also rely on the others to stay stable.

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        Sorry, maybe I misunderstood you, but I feel like you’re making my argument for me.

        If minorities have less access to these 4 things, then ensuring everyone has access to these things, disproportionately helps minorities. No?

        This being said, I was reading an article about the UK’s NHS. Obviously, minorities have better access to a baseline of free medical care in the UK, but even though healthcare is free for everyone, LGBTQ+ people do still face hurdles accessing that care.

        Anyway, I think the point I’m making is that the priority should be giving everyone access to jobs, healthcare, a decent wage, affordable housing, etc. You’re already disproportionately helping minorities by doing this. For example, the gay kid who runs away from shitty parents, gets to benefit from affordable housing, healthcare, get a good job, cheap education, etc. And once that’s in order, they’ll be in a better position to advocate for themselves. You can’t eat rainbow flags and a parade isn’t going to pay for therapy or gender affirming care.

        Certainly seems like a bigger priority than some (corporate) pinkwashing and superficial stuff like rainbow flags. Especially if the rainbow flags are used to hide a lack of real help for those who need it.

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      If you have a decent wage, job security, a roof over your head, and decent healthcare, you can largely insulate yourself from bigotry and predjudice.

      How do those protect against harassment experienced in public spaces? E.g. getting harassed when trying to use public toilets or changing rooms because of your gender appearance?

      Or systemic discrimination, like not having equal spousal rights for adoption/inheritance/medical decision-making? The state doesn’t have to actively persecute you to still treat you as a second-class citizen.

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        How do those protect against harassment experienced in public spaces? E.g. getting harassed when trying to use public toilets or changing rooms because of your gender appearance?

        Go live in a nice city or community where this is less of an issue. Largely insulate yourself from the arseholes. No one’s harassing the Caitlyn Jenners of this world. Certainly not to the same degree as someone who doesn’t have access to excellent gender-affirming healthcare and legal representation.

        Or systemic discrimination, like not having equal spousal rights for adoption/inheritance/medical decision-making? The state doesn’t have to actively persecute you to still treat you as a second-class citizen.

        If you’re earning enough, you can retain a lawyer to advocate on your behalf. Hell, I’d argue minorities being disproportionately poor, means they are less powerful, which is why we’ve made less progress than we should have.

        To be clear, I’m playing Devil’s advocate here, but I don’t think it’s an entirely unsound argument.