Hello World,
as some of you might be aware, there have been various accusations against one of our former community team members, Jordan Lund.
We have removed Jordan as a member of our community team a week ago, on 23rd of September, due to various behavior that we do not consider acceptable for a member of our team. We haven’t posted about this earlier, as we’re still in the progress of reviewing and making decisions, and we originally expected to be able to conclude this earlier, within a time frame where we could have presented the final outcome in the first post.
During his time with Lemmy.World, Jordan has been helping out our team with various admin-level tasks, as well as moderating a few large communities, including !news@lemmy.world, !world@lemmy.world and !politics@lemmy.world. As far as we can tell, most of his actions, including moderation actions, were in alignment with both our instance rules and also rules and spirit of the affected communities.
Unfortunately, this does not apply to all his actions. We have identified multiple cases of conduct that do not align with what we expect from members of our team. We currently do not have any explicit rules or code of conduct for our community team or other team members like instance admins on top of our ToS/bylaws, as we expected to have a common understanding of acceptable behavior. In the past we already had discussions with Jordan about some of this behavior and we believed that to be enough at that time. Going forward, we will be working on a code of conduct applicable to all members of our team, including community team and anyone above.
Being a member of our community team provides additional privileges for selected members, such as the ability to appoint community moderators, update our community spotlight or even banning users. In Jordan’s case this included permissions to appoint community moderators and ban users from the instance.
As of today, we are not aware of misuse of these additional privileges. Once we have reviewed other actions taken by Jordan we will also review these types of actions taken by Jordan in the recent past. If you believe that you or someone else was incorrectly banned from Lemmy.World, you’re welcome to appeal your ban by reaching out to our team. As we currently have some technical issues with our ticket system, I recommend sending an email to report at lemmy dot world for the time being, visting our Matrix room #general:lemmy.world or reaching out to @MrKaplan@lemmy.world directly, also possible via Matrix at @mrkaplan:lemmy.world.
Following our instance rules, we have a few cases in which we may remove community moderators from their communities:
- Grossly committing a violation of the Terms of Service
- Acting repeatedly against the local community rules
- Extended periods of inactivity, as evident by lack of public interaction and/or failure to respond to reports
We are still discussing whether we consider his behavior a “gross violation of our ToS”, as there are definitely some arguments to be made in favor of that. This includes for example using incorrect gendered pronouns, which we will update in our ToS in the coming days to make it more clear to everyone that this will not be tolerated. Due to his previous and current position we are still discussing what our final resolution to this issue will be as far as instance rules are concerned. Whether or not a person is trolling does not justify using incorrect pronouns for them. We have also informed Jordan that we expect his behavior in this regard to change immediately.
We’re currently also in conversations with other moderators of communities moderated by Jordan to review their position on his behavior within their communities and whether they believe that his actions in those communities were appropriate and in line with the community rules. As a reminder, the order of community moderators in the sidebar has direct impact on the moderator hierarchy, where a moderator listed earlier is able to remove any moderators later in the list. This means even if an action might not (yet) be taken by instance admins, other community moderators may be able to remove moderators if they’re no longer desired to be part of the team. Especially community rules about civility and respectful conduct do not appear to have been followed in a number of cases, and we are reviewing with the community moderators whether this is in line with other content they would usually moderate/not moderate.
It should also be noted that not all things reported to us are actually or clearly violating our rules, even if we may not agree with them. For example, we currently do not have rules about moderators removing other people’s arguments, especially as “misinformation”, to strengthen their own misguided arguments, and then continue to accuse the other side of misinformation later on. We do expect our team members to not use positions of power to “win arguments” or falsely accuse others of misinformation, when this isn’t actually the case. Therefore, while this example is not something we tolerate for members of our team, having this happen on community level (by a person who isn’t also holding a role above community mod at that time) is currently not something we are enforcing.
Once we have worked out a CoC for members of our team, we will post about this separately and also gather community feedback on whether you believe that enforcement of that (or parts of it, or more things) should also include moderators of Lemmy.World communities.
Additionally, we will also be looking at expanding our community team a bit in the near future, as we have both lost some people over time and recently also Jordan. We will also be posting about this separately, currently expected to be in a few weeks, with a description of expectations and responsibilities.
We will also be updating this post over the coming days until we have finished our review and actions.
Update 2025-10-06 01:27 UTC:
After reviewing various comments and actions by Jordan, he has received a warning, especially relating to following our rules at https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#1-attacks-on-people-or-groups. Going forward, if we see additional violations of our rules, especially when it comes to attacking others, we will consider additional consequences in the form of a temporary or permanent ban. If you still see Jordan’s behaving in ways violating our ToS, please report this directly to us, e.g. through a pm to @lwreport@lemmy.world. We always review messages received by this account in our team.
In line with our current rules about potentially removing community moderators, we have reviewed the communities Jordan is currently a moderator in:
- !politics@lemmy.world: This community has active moderators above Jordan Lund, such as @aidan@lemmy.world.
- !news@lemmy.world This community has active moderators above Jordan Lund, such as @JonsJava@lemmy.world.
- !world@lemmy.world: We have moved Jordan from being top moderator to being bottom moderator. New top moderator is @Tenthrow@lemmy.world.
- !business@lemmy.world: No other active mods
- !comicbooks@lemmy.world: No other active mods
- !portland_oregon@lemmy.world: No other active mods
- !thepoliceproblem@lemmy.world: We have moved Jordan from being top moderator to being bottom moderator. New (active) top moderator is @JonsJava@lemmy.world.
- !hottubs@lemmy.world: No other active mods
- !keeptrack@lemmy.world: No other active mods
Any community moderator above Jordan will be able to remove him from his moderator position, should they decide that he is not a good fit for the community. It is up to those community moderators whether they want to keep him on the team.
We generally intend to limit our involvement in community moderation to enforcement of instance rules. Without disallowing other community mods to add Jordan back as a moderator, there would also not be much impact of removing him entirely, as they could just add him back right away. If you do not agree with the rules in a community or the way it is moderated, it’s always possible to look for alternative communities with different rules, different mods, or creating your own community.
Having said this, we’re still working on our team CoC, and will be gathering community feedback in a standalone post to determine whether we should enforce additional standards for community moderators.
Our review of Jordan’s delegated admin actions (instance bans) are still pending. Unless we find evidence of this having been abused, we we do not currently expect additional consequences to arise from this.
I’ve written off Lemmy.world as ever giving a serious consequence to anyone. This update is not remotely acceptable and you well know this. You gave him a warning? Well let me remind you of the fact that you already gave him one. You even said as much publicly. You said you talked to him and told him he was wrong on the Canadian thing and then 3 hours later he turns around and publicly says he has done nothing wrong and has repeatedly doubled down.
This is a perfect demonstration of the fact that he does not care about your warnings. He doesn’t listen to them, he doesn’t take them into account and that you have absolutely no bearing on his decisions.
The admin team has either reached a level of incompetence that I genuinely do not believe exists considering I know a bunch of you or you’re all compromised for some other reason. Whether that’s because you rely on him too much for everything and literally cannot function without him, whether you’re too close friends with him and not actually caring about any reports from users or whatever other reason. But I cannot take you guys seriously when you’re not taking yourself and your own rules seriously.
This administration decision is a fucking joke.
@ruud@lemmy.world you said that you didn’t want Jordan to be the face of Lemmy.world? Well too bad dude. This decision just permanently cemented that Lemmy.world ignores overwhelming evidence of abuse and either actively condones/supports abusive moderators or, at best, doesn’t care about them at all. However this isn’t your best. You’ve seen a constant amount of evidence dripping the entire time he’s been the moderator and you’ve warned him before and he didn’t care. Now you’re doing the same thing when you already know it doesn’t work and if you’re taking the same action and expecting a different outcome? It’s not insanity. It’s willful incompetence.
Not to mention the fact that your cowardice is so extreme you just threw this bomb into the lap of @JonsJava@lemmy.world and @Tenthrow@lemmy.world. You are now forcing them to become complicit. You pushed all judgment over to them. You did not have their backs AT ALL but instead HUNG THEM OUT TO FUCKING DRY. I have no idea where they stand on it but I do know that I’d be pretty pissed if I was them and I do know that as an average user? It makes you admins look even worse than you refused to make a decision and instead passed it onto someone else.
I cannot say this loudly enough.
Lemmy.world is just the Reddit version of Lemmy if this is the way you’re fucking behaving. And I, for one, wanna play no part in it.
Shout out to the user who has harassed me, started a community to “document” me and others he doesn’t like, and then got pissy when banned by my instance for 2 weeks because he admitted he harassed me.
That community was then banned by the first instance’s admins, because they saw it was going to do nothing but start fights, and didn’t want that on their instance. He then dumped the account there and made it again on piefed.world, because if the admin team doesn’t have his back on his personal mission of harassment, he doesn’t want to be there.
And if I mention his name, he’ll swear it’s proof I think of him too much when he’s the most active .world and now piefed.world user. He admitted to searching for his username on Lemmy often to look at and vote on what people say about him.
I know he’s reading this. He can’t help but read my posts but swears I’m the stalker. He even thinks that he can document me and my instance, but we can’t document him. Somehow if you talk about him, it’s bullying. But if you don’t allow him to stalk your account for “proof” of something, you’re the fascist, or the tankie, or whatever his current favorite buzzword is. I’m still waiting for proof I mass downvoted him or his community. He never gave me proof of it, but I had dozens of links sent to my admins of his harassment.
Or any of the trolls who insisted that anyone against genocide and wanted the lesser evil to win, was a troll who’d get turned off after the election. While several of those accounts stopped bothering after the election.
EDIT: More info added, just to spite the dude when he reads this and freaks out even more, posting this claiming he’s the victim here. Because I know he will, revealing that this is him I’m talking about.
All this has shown is this is what lw wants from their mods.
It took them what 2 weeks to do this? Nothing but remove from a group no one knew what it was supposed to do?
Now now, they spent 2 weeks on moving someone down a list, with full powers retained! Nothing bad will happen.
Cops get worse punishments when they are retired with full pay.
This caught me by surprise, to put it mildly.
Still deciding on my path forward.
Thank you for chiming in and your decision.
Good luck on your path forward
So you weren’t fucking informed about this ahead of time?!
No. I was merely reminded that as top moderator, I could remove Jordan Lund. I said then, and still say that I had no reason to remove him.
The fact that their decision was basically “It’s on you, we’re done here” was unwelcome.
Utterly disgraceful of the admins.
Wow they are awful at their job.