okay. I’ve only seen stills of blue guy on a plate. How does this have any resemblance to the last supper? Is it just that there’s people at a long table? The more images I find the more concerned I am that christians have not seen a picture of the last supper.
It’s a well established historical fact that the last supper is the only time in history that people gathered around a table !
gathered around a table
Or at least gathered on one side of a table.
In Canada we call that a Degrassi.
I always have to go to these stupid work lunches where someone hands their phone to the waiter and everyone has to lean in, like two dozen people at a long ass table so some idiot can email spam it the next day, like we all really wanted to be there.
I was hoping to find a video of the performance, since maybe it gave off more Last Supper vibes than a still photo. But I’ll be damned, there’s not a video of it anywhere. Just lots of videos of people complaining about it.
Have a look at this post: https://jlai.lu/post/9004279
Screenshots with timing to show the 2 moments people are confusing
Thanks, that was the context I needed. Also at 1:53:30 in that same video.
Seems to me that there’s a good reason none of the news articles are linking to the video of the performance. When viewed outside of a couple screenshots, it’s clear this ain’t shit.
Heavy copyright also. But this ain’t shit indeed.
Apparently any time people are in a row on one end of a long table, it’s automatically a Last Supper reference.
It was literally a runway. Not sure how else they should have done it lol
What, that’s not common knowledge?
Btw, christmas was stolen from Yule. And some stories in the old testament are from Gilgamesh and Atrahasis Epos, like Mose’ abandonement in a reed basket as an example.
Literally all beings and concepts in christianity have a pagan origin. Even ancient YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah/Tetragrammaton (God) goes probably back to El.
But i guess that’s natural, concepts like an underworld are in above epics too, those sorts of stories developed over civilizations.
For sure, the ancient Israelites had a pantheon of gods, just like the Greeks. I mean, their monotheism developed out their own version paganism, of which Yahweh was but one of their gods. Specifically, the god of the storms that occurred in southern palestinian. He had a wife, multiple kids and a giant oversized novelty penis. Along with his god sized cock, he would often be represented as a bull, as a man with horns or a golden calf.
Why yes, theexact kind of golden calf the Israelites started to worship when moses when up mount sinai to get the 10 commandments. Its specifically the exact reason they did it and not that they just decided to worship some random cow, despite having seen a bag full of miracles and monstrous amounts of child murder from their actual god first hand.
Yup, the calf was most likely a regular part of the northern Israel’s worship, but not of the southern Judah’s. Since most of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) is written from a Judean perspective (which makes sense; it survived longer), it treats it as blasphemous, when in reality, to them, it wasn’t.
Like 4/5 of the Bible isn’t common knowledge to most Christians. To say nothing of the actual history of Christianity.
What, that’s not common knowledge?
To the American Christians throwing a fit about this? No, they have no idea.
You would think it was common knowledge, especially given the fact that Hades is in the Bible but it’s not. They want to believe that they are the one true religion and do all sorts of mental gymnastics to keep their religion pure.
These are the same people that get mad when they uear Beethoven’s Ode to Joy because he doesn’t use the lyrics from the Christian hymn that stole his melody.
Btw, i googled ancient epics because i thought there was one more with similiar name to Atrahasis’ but my god, i know most of the names from Anime.
it is funny how christians by and large do not follow the biblical holiday but totally do the cool pagan ones.
Especially Halloween. Where the fuck do they get off stealing the best and most very different from their own shit?
then they tack on all saints and all souls but nobody acknowledges them.
Mexicans have entered the chat, with deafening polka
Holy shit, do they ever acknowledge those holidays, but I think it’s because they already had a “day of the dead,” before they were forcibly converted to the teachings of Cathol.
yeah its more day of the dead and less all saints/souls. I think its just another good example on going with the cool pagan and not so much boring christian. let me see we can party and dress up or dress up and go to church. decisions, decisions.
They only care about it when they can be angry and righteous about it. Don’t give them oxygen !
Which one is the biblical holiday?
both. there are like half a dozen mentioned in the bible as special sabbaths and the sabbath is technically a weekly holiday
I have the weirdest urge to start a fight with the blue dude and I dont know why.
I don’t know if the French guy is up for it, but I bet you could find some crazy libertarian who takes way too much colloidal silver if you want…
For those who are unfamiliar, that’s not makeup or Photoshop. That’s what happens when you rely on alternative “medicine.”
He blue himself.
Trevor forget o7
Papa smurf. He’s just missing the red hat.
He could do strange things to his body that we don’t really understand today. I think he had his own internally consistent mathematical system that may or may not apply to the real world, like Euclidean geometry or linear algebra.
Dionysus — the god of partying. What’s your issue with partying man?
I dont know! I just want to fight him, maybe that’s how we party together?!
Mm, well he is also the god of insanity
See its his fault!
Don’t fuck with Supply Side Papa Smurf.
For accuracy sake, yes the depiction in the Olympics was meant to be Feast of the Gods, but that painting came after The Last Supper and is thought to be directly inspired by da Vinci. Last Supper - 1495 Feast of the Gods - 1635-1640
Linking Wikipedia. The primaries appear to be in French 😅 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Festin_des_Dieux
Don’t forget the people that are mad at this also get mad then they hear Beethoven’s Ode to Joy performed or translated because the lyrics aren’t the same as the Christian hymn that plagiarized his melody. They also get mad when they hear Greensleeves performed because those lyrics don’t line up with the Christian hymn that uses the same melody either.
People are talking about two different moments, 40 minutes from each other: https://jlai.lu/post/9004279
Sorry for the French, but the screens and minutes are there.
I still don’t know what is going on in this picture. Can someone explain? I know this is some type of an opening ceremony and conservative christians were upset by it.
the god of blood & wine, who died and was reborn, and often shown with pinecone imagery is celebrated on the winter solstice for the harvest of wine, and then again with the coming of spring for the end of winter harvest. Lots of dicks, flowers, fruit, baskets, bread, young unmarried women, etc.
While it sounds like it could be, it is not Jesus. not Christmas. not Easter. Not the last supper. Many christians assumed so I guess and got mad. Plus omg people being promiscuous? in ancient greece/rome? GASP. Because we all know jesus killed adulterers and prostitutes…
Anyways, it was for the greek god Dionysus, with the celebration Dionysia. or Bacchus and the celebration Bacchanalia if you’re roman.
Man. Who could’ve guessed the french would like the god of wine & would want to honor that.
Wow, thanks.
Papa Smurfs birthday.
Yes clearly. And I can clearly see his balls too. So colorful!
I mean, they were almost essentially monochrome blue…considering what he’s the god of, he clearly needs to clean out the pipes…
This is very much talking about his system of maths.
As if those so-called “foot-washing Christians” had anything better to do. 😒
Yahweh was actually the old god of the harvest and wine I believe. Before the Jewish Pantheon shrunk to one god only. So Yahweh was similar to Dionysus at one point. There are still remnants and mentions of the other gods in the old testament, like Yahweh’s wife Ashira and Baal who I think was an underworld god. Also funny that in the old testament, god talks about other gods as if they’re real but weak or bad, doesn’t deny they exist.
I remember a theory that Dionysus is the Christian god in disguise.
There’s also a theory about Loki being the same.
I don’t remember the details but these theories make more sense to me than the actual religions
Many old religions were essentially created by mathematical scholars in the past who had similar ideas about shapes and symbolism. Some may disagree, but that’s what I think anyway.
To me it’s crazy that the Aztecs had a trickster god of mischief who would shape shift into a Fox. And across the planet we have Loki.
I recall Yahweh being described as a storm god, but gods often wear many hats. Storms can affect harvests a great deal.
The version I heard he was a war god and killed the rest of his pantheon, then forbade his followers from even speaking of the other gods. This may have been modern fanfiction though, i’ve never gone back to figure out where I read that from.
I don’t think that’s from anything official, but it’s a cool narrative to explain his ascension from polytheistic to monotheistic god! And it fits with how he acts in the bible.
Where’s Rick Riordan to novelize this!
Yahweh was a storm/raiding god fairly similar to, and later competing with and overtaking, Ba’al in the same domain but from the northwest (IIRC) semitic pantheon. The YouTube channel Esoterica has some great vids about it.
The same christians who got offended by this would also complain about muslims being prudish when they get pissy about showing their prophet.
This meme is just confused. The Feast of the Gods motif would be familiar to da Vinci and whether it was deliberately referenced or perhaps just a visual convention of how to portray a feast, and who influenced who are questions best asked to an art historian specialized on the time period. But ultimately it doesn’t really matter - da Vinci’s The Last Supper is one of the most iconic images in history and it’s not strange that people watching makes the connection, I certainly did even if I also got the reference to Les Festin des Dieux. Of course the idea that the ceremony mocks Jesus or whatever is a hysterical reaction, but that’s American evangelicals for you.
Connecting this to christian adaptation of Pagan holidays and motifs, however, is farfetched and ahistorical. The Last Supper is a painting, Leonardo is not the christian church. Leonardo was active during the high renaissance, a time when the ideas and imagery of (mostly pagan) Antiquity was reintroduced into christian europe. References to pagan rome and greece was à la mode in art.
And there’s me mishearing it as diogenes and thinking some bowls were going to get broken and some chickens were going to get grabbed.
FYI, for all of those shitting on Christians for “not being educated” and upvoting this, the last supper was painted in 1498, the feast of the gods was painted in 1635. Lol
The last supper has been painted many times. At least 1000 years before Leonardo’s version.
The festival of Dionysus occurred 500 years before Jesus with depictions much older than the last supper.
edit: ppl gettin’ mad over their sky wizard…
Maybe that’s the case, you don’t really back it up. But I’m just going off the paintings called out by Christians and the people claiming what it was actually inspired by.
But even if you’re right, it doesn’t change the fact that the OP and creator of this meme, and everyone thinking it makes a good point, are all guilty of the same ignorance they are laughing at someone else for having.
“…you don’t really back it up.”
Fuggin hilarious.
yeah huh, the bible says it is true. So it is true.
Maybe they mean that they didn’t back up that there were contemporary depictions which used imagery similar to Leonardo’s last supper. The contemporary imagery shows people having much more fun than just sitting around a table https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57125c2c2b8dde54a34b537f/1619344351570-Q7SEO0H68PVKSK2MHIQW/painter-munich-black-cult-dionysus-figure-amphora-e1613417711405.jpg
My comment is pointing out the hilarity that top-level commenter is crying for “back up” after being called out for a comment that is:
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Not at all backed up
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Wrong
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An example of top-level commenter doing exactly what they accuse others of doing
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Wait you think they backed it up? Oh, well, none of what they said happened. So I guess I just backed up the counter position.
You need a citation proving that the Greeks had festivals in honor of one of their gods many years before Jesus was born? Um…here you go:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysia
The meme is stupid and inaccurate because the skit wasn’t representing any specific work of art but was meant to be representative of a Dionysia, aka a Feast of Dionysus. If we’re going to make fun of the people outraged about this, the stolen imagery angle just doesn’t make sense. Instead, maybe focus on their need to feel victimized or the amount of hubris required to assume that the opening ceremonies of an event rooted in Ancient Greek traditions was all about them.
But i digress. You, OP, and many other people seem confused because there is a long history of “Feast of the Gods” artwork. When you try to search for Feast of Dionysus, recommended searches suggest including the word “painting” which leads people to said artwork. That ends up leading you further away from Dionysia and onto tangentially related things like the painting you are referring to, “Le Festin des Dieux,” which was indeed painted from 1635-1640. However, there are many paintings with this theme that bear stylistic similarities to The Last Supper. One of the oldest examples was completed by Bartolomeo de Giovanni in 1490, 5 years before Leonardo began his Last Supper.
Examples here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Gods_(art)
So anyway, maybe now you can all move on with your lives now.
Well stated. The thing bothers me is someone had a vision, they had an idea and a chance to present their work on a world stage. That is such a huge honor and a few people thought it was about them and shit all over the moment.
I’m not surprised you find reading this hard…
I think there are a large number of valid reasons to be confused by this image that do not have to do with Christianity.
