• Auth@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    If that’s your opinion then no matter what I say you are going to hit me with the “true communism has never been tried”

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      6 days ago

      Oh, it has been tried! For example, the Free People Territory in what is now Ukraine. Killed off by authoritarians pretending to be communists in the the USSR. Also, Neozapatistas in the Chiapas region. Cuba is doing a pretty fair shake at it, as well, and a lot of suffering there happening because of the myriad invasions, assassination attempts, and now economic embargo on them by the US. Rojava is doing a system that borrows a lot from communism (Democratic Confederalism).

      So, since we’re doing economic death tolls: What is the death toll from just the US capitalist system? Like, 1 million dead during COVID, 40k per year from gatekeeping health care, how many died in Iraq? Afghanistan? How many indigenous people in the US have died from capitalism? I think just the last one puts the holocaust to shame…

      Where has capitalism been tried that hasn’t resulted in massive death tolls?

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        1 day ago

        So you are going to ignore all the examples you dont like and point to a small example of a not very successful island. There is far more capitalist countries doing better than Cuba. I’d rather 40k deaths from old age people not getting healthcare than have my government slaughter 10million civilians but whatever.

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          21 hours ago

          40k even year, for 30 years equals?

          And not even counting the death toll-free wars of imperialism, food shortage, etc etc.

          Capitalism has kill more than 10 million civilians, by magnitude.

          I see you also ignored all examples, except for one.

          And Cuba… how well would they be faring had they NOT been under a trade embargo for 50 years now?

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            9 hours ago

            40k even year, for 30 years equals?

            Stop with this dogshit point, its embarrassing and I know you can think of something better. 40k deaths each year for 30 years still wouldnt put it in the top 10 communist massacres.

            Also you are comparing a random stat of healthcare deaths to government massacres. You dont want this comparison, communism has been responsible for the starvation of millions and wild guess but they werent providing healthcare either.

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        5 days ago

        Ironically, you completely fell into proving my point.

        Somehow, I don’t think you’ll figure that out… Not today, maybe, but in the future, hopefully.

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          5 days ago

          Ironically, you completely fell into proving my point.

          You mean, by supplying actual examples of when it was tried, and when it worked?

          Somehow, I don’t think you’ll figure that out… Not today, maybe, but in the future, hopefully.

          Someday, you’ll figure out that capitalism is basically just “Might equals right”. Not today, by in the future, maybe. I don’t hold out much hope, though.

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            5 days ago

            Here’s the discussion you have involved yourself in on…

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            Good job. Your input has been more noted in the abdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz parts you have paid no attention to, else you’d have never typed a thing. Had you paid any attention, you’d have realised you’re doing exactly what is being discussed.

            Ironically, you completely fell into proving my point.

            You mean, by supplying actual examples of when it was tried, and when it worked?

            Whatever scratches your itch.

            And, please, don’t talk to me like some proponent of capitalism when I just said all social ideologies are failures against human nature. Pay some respect and read what people are saying before you insist on yourself.