• Pavel Chichikov@lemm.ee
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    8 days ago

    these things are in opposition to materialism. materialism posits that the physical world is an atomistic reality separate from human consciousness. Things like collapse of the wave function and observer effect demonstrably prove that reality is influenced by human consciousness. Disproving materialism, which is the foundation on which Marx built his theories. End of story.

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      6 days ago

      That’s not actually what the observer effect is.

      In physics the word observation in the context of observer effect refers to measurement which can be done with an apparatus, like in the double slit experiment itself and the moment of observation is that when a measurement is taken or an interaction occurs(!) with another thing, not when a human in particular becomes aware of it.

      I don’t blame you for not knowing this though because the word “observer” is just an extremely poor choice, as always, scientists are bad at naming things.

      Physics in no way is suggesting that material reality is shaped by human consciousness in any way nor is it in denial of material reality and even if it did that hardly has anything to do with Marx who’s materialism was a theory in regards to the evolution of ideas and socioeconomic structures that come from them being influenced by people’s relations to the means of production more than anything else.