Where has this shown progress towards undermining the Capitalist system, and then not been curtailed by said Capitalist system? It sounds nice on paper but I doubt it’s possible.
The problem is people. Greed is a human trait. You could wave a magic wand tomorrow and delete capitalism and greed would resurrect it before the wand cooled off.
You need a system that subverts greed, harnessing the human potential for selfishness to drive common social selflessness. The best answer humans have found is highly regulated capitalism and graduated taxes. This answer (and others) never last because capitalism either breaks out of jail when capitalists gain control of government, or another capitalist society physically (or politically, or economically) destroys or undermines the non-capitalistic one.
It’s kind of the same reason cancer kills: It’s really good at spreading, and really bad at stopping.
This is idealism, and has no basis in reality. You are projecting the functions and systems of Capitalism as a human problem based on individual moral failings and not on the self-propelling nature of Capitalist accumulation. The best answer is not regulated Capitalism, but Socialism, because that is when humans gain supremacy over Capital, rather than the inverse.
Well, you kind of mean Ideal Socialism. I’m saying none of the solutions humans have implemented have worked, as evidenced by the fact that the planet is not a socialist utopia. The closest we have to that nowadays are the countries that have harnessed capitalism with the yoke of socialism, and even they’re constantly fighting their own right wings that are trying to call more back for fewer.
Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s a label for a specific human behavior.
I’m talking about Socialism as it actually exists, not some ideal version that only exists in the minds of dreamers. You really need to read some more theory, none of what you say makes any sense, like claiming Capitalism isn’t a “thing.” Economic systems are real, material relations of production.
I’m not arguing with you! I agree that socialism exists! It does not, however, exist in a vacuum completely free of the influence of capitalism. Every implementation of socialism on the planet has had to work with, or work around, the human propensity towards selfishness to continue existing. The ones that worked against capitalism failed, or were subverted into adopting capitalism in some form. Maybe Cuba got the closest. Even non-contacted tribes that exist outside the sphere of influence only continue to exist because the capitalists haven’t decided to try and extract value from them or their land.
In that manner, are you actually a Leftist? Morally you support the ideas of Leftism, but oppose the only actual methods of bringing them about. It’s similar to supporting the idea of everyone becoming a millionaire overnight, if such a solution does not exist it ceases to be something to support and becomes a nice dream.
The country I was born in was born itself from genocide. The first people to arrive had worked to erase a whole people, culture and knowledge because there was land and resources to be stolen.
Women were raped, children were stolen, men were killed. Even to this day, you can’t go a year without multiple stories of disgusting abuse from the federal police against indigenous people.
The same country who stuck as many of the surviving genocided people into reservations. The same country that federally determined that those same people do not deserve clean drinking water in the reservations they were forced into. My tax dollars are funding a genocide today.
And what does Canada do? Point to China, accuse them of genocide against the Uyghur people. Hypocrisy. Absolute hypocrisy.
I refuse to fight for this country. I don’t feel free. I don’t see people feeling free. I think I must fight for the people whose land has been stolen over some imaginary borders that denies me the freedom to connect with people.
I get it, and i agree. But I’m not going to let the US or Russia roll tanks into Canada and make their way to those reserves, as they are the first Canadians and deserve everything for a better life. I will add though that some band chiefs do not make matters better when money given to them doesn’t make it to those who need it. They are as much to blame in modern times as much as the federal government.
While on the topic, one thing that struck me as odd, was that people are shocked pikachu face about residential schools. I learned about this shit in the 90’s. How is it that nobody knew about this other than the survivors? I blame ignorance.
I will add though that some band chiefs do not make matters better when money given to them doesn’t make it to those who need it. They are as much to blame in modern times as much as the federal government.
I refuse to victim blame. These people were put in shitty conditions. What good examples did these people have after having so much of their people, culture and knowledge eradicated? It seems their examples came from their savage invaders.
Blame the true savages who came with murderous intent. They set the expectations. They spread their greedy culture. They made themselves the adult in the room and beat anyone who disagreed with them, including their own who saw the injustices.
That doesn’t really matter to me. If it did i see your point. But i am proud to be Canadian and will defend the country with my life. I was born here and this is my home, i wouldn’t let any other country change it at all, our politics will be decided by the peoples of our country, not other countries to roll in with tanks and soldiers.
naw, im 34, seen and read too much crap. nothing makes sense and its all lies or empty promises. like i said, i guess im not a leftist because i don’t believe that citizens should legally be allowed to own firearms.
i don’t see a necessity in the present. I am happy with the gun laws in my country although not ideal, at least people don’t have guns laying around their house or people walking around with pistols holstered on their waist other than the police who require weapons for their jobs.
How do you plan on ending Capitalism without revolution?
Purchase goods from employee owned entities. Support financial transitions away from shareholder owned entities to employee owned entities.
Where has this shown progress towards undermining the Capitalist system, and then not been curtailed by said Capitalist system? It sounds nice on paper but I doubt it’s possible.
The problem is people. Greed is a human trait. You could wave a magic wand tomorrow and delete capitalism and greed would resurrect it before the wand cooled off.
You need a system that subverts greed, harnessing the human potential for selfishness to drive common social selflessness. The best answer humans have found is highly regulated capitalism and graduated taxes. This answer (and others) never last because capitalism either breaks out of jail when capitalists gain control of government, or another capitalist society physically (or politically, or economically) destroys or undermines the non-capitalistic one.
It’s kind of the same reason cancer kills: It’s really good at spreading, and really bad at stopping.
This is idealism, and has no basis in reality. You are projecting the functions and systems of Capitalism as a human problem based on individual moral failings and not on the self-propelling nature of Capitalist accumulation. The best answer is not regulated Capitalism, but Socialism, because that is when humans gain supremacy over Capital, rather than the inverse.
Well, you kind of mean Ideal Socialism. I’m saying none of the solutions humans have implemented have worked, as evidenced by the fact that the planet is not a socialist utopia. The closest we have to that nowadays are the countries that have harnessed capitalism with the yoke of socialism, and even they’re constantly fighting their own right wings that are trying to call more back for fewer.
Capitalism isn’t a thing, it’s a label for a specific human behavior.
I’m talking about Socialism as it actually exists, not some ideal version that only exists in the minds of dreamers. You really need to read some more theory, none of what you say makes any sense, like claiming Capitalism isn’t a “thing.” Economic systems are real, material relations of production.
I’m not arguing with you! I agree that socialism exists! It does not, however, exist in a vacuum completely free of the influence of capitalism. Every implementation of socialism on the planet has had to work with, or work around, the human propensity towards selfishness to continue existing. The ones that worked against capitalism failed, or were subverted into adopting capitalism in some form. Maybe Cuba got the closest. Even non-contacted tribes that exist outside the sphere of influence only continue to exist because the capitalists haven’t decided to try and extract value from them or their land.
You’re under a confused idea that markets are Capitalism and that there are no Socialist countries left.
no clue, but i am a pacifist. I’d only go to war if my country was being invaded.
In that manner, are you actually a Leftist? Morally you support the ideas of Leftism, but oppose the only actual methods of bringing them about. It’s similar to supporting the idea of everyone becoming a millionaire overnight, if such a solution does not exist it ceases to be something to support and becomes a nice dream.
i guess so. i don’t really have a political affiliation anyways
A “pacifist” who goes to war for their country is affiliated with a political ideology called nationalism
would you not defend your country if you were invaded? i’d assume most normal people would
The country I was born in was born itself from genocide. The first people to arrive had worked to erase a whole people, culture and knowledge because there was land and resources to be stolen.
Women were raped, children were stolen, men were killed. Even to this day, you can’t go a year without multiple stories of disgusting abuse from the federal police against indigenous people.
The same country who stuck as many of the surviving genocided people into reservations. The same country that federally determined that those same people do not deserve clean drinking water in the reservations they were forced into. My tax dollars are funding a genocide today.
And what does Canada do? Point to China, accuse them of genocide against the Uyghur people. Hypocrisy. Absolute hypocrisy.
I refuse to fight for this country. I don’t feel free. I don’t see people feeling free. I think I must fight for the people whose land has been stolen over some imaginary borders that denies me the freedom to connect with people.
I get it, and i agree. But I’m not going to let the US or Russia roll tanks into Canada and make their way to those reserves, as they are the first Canadians and deserve everything for a better life. I will add though that some band chiefs do not make matters better when money given to them doesn’t make it to those who need it. They are as much to blame in modern times as much as the federal government.
While on the topic, one thing that struck me as odd, was that people are shocked pikachu face about residential schools. I learned about this shit in the 90’s. How is it that nobody knew about this other than the survivors? I blame ignorance.
I refuse to victim blame. These people were put in shitty conditions. What good examples did these people have after having so much of their people, culture and knowledge eradicated? It seems their examples came from their savage invaders.
Blame the true savages who came with murderous intent. They set the expectations. They spread their greedy culture. They made themselves the adult in the room and beat anyone who disagreed with them, including their own who saw the injustices.
Does the invading country have universal health care?
That doesn’t really matter to me. If it did i see your point. But i am proud to be Canadian and will defend the country with my life. I was born here and this is my home, i wouldn’t let any other country change it at all, our politics will be decided by the peoples of our country, not other countries to roll in with tanks and soldiers.
Please invade the USA
What you’re espousing is a textbook definition of nationalism, so there you go, now you know your ideology
You might want to get on that!
naw, im 34, seen and read too much crap. nothing makes sense and its all lies or empty promises. like i said, i guess im not a leftist because i don’t believe that citizens should legally be allowed to own firearms.
You can be a Leftist that opposes gun ownership in a post-revolutionary status, while recognizing its necessity in current conditions.
i don’t see a necessity in the present. I am happy with the gun laws in my country although not ideal, at least people don’t have guns laying around their house or people walking around with pistols holstered on their waist other than the police who require weapons for their jobs.
police do not require weapons
So then you tacitly support Capitalism and Imperialism, then.
The invasion is coming from inside the house.
I don’t agree with that. While it may be true in other countries, i have never felt not safe in my country.
I wasn’t talking about your personal feelings.
well sorry it’s shit for you friend.