Yes i dont think a poem that lists several groups of people being targeted by the state is the same as someone saying they want to disclose people who have been working to undermine Europe on behalf of russia.
This has nothing to do with communists they were not mentioned. MLs are only a subsect of communists and they are mentioned for deepthroating Putin’s boot not because they’re communists.
I really would love to understand where this idea that “Marxist Leninist = Putin supporter”
Marxist Leninist (myself included) hate Putin. Putin is literally the embodiment of western neoliberalism in post Soviet Russia. He was literally installed and supported by western aligned oligarchs and capitalist within Russia.
I really am curious where you get this idea. I’d love receipts. I really hope it’s not just “MLs criticize NATO”. I really really hope it’s not just a binary view of the world like that. I swear people view the world like it’s a football match.
Why would we not criticize Putin? He’s a reactionary capitalist. Our critique of Putin isn’t that he’s some supernatural evil like liberal analysis often circles back to, but instead based on his actual, material position. Pushing back on liberal analysis doesn’t mean Putin is “our guy” or anything of the sort. First and foremost, we oppose the imperialist system headed by the US, and NATO which exists to protect it.
Any critical support for Russia extends to their right to self-determination from NATO encirclement, and their opposition to western imperialism, not to their reactionary, bourgeois society nor Putin at the top. The dissolution of the Soviet Union was a tremendous human tragedy, one that directly led to the current war today.
Marxist-Leninists despise NATO, for the genocidal terror inflicted by its member-states around the world and its position as a coalition of imperialist powers. Marxist-Leninists also despise Putin and United Russia, and believe socialism to be a necessity for Russia in the future that the nationalists will not accept willingly.
The major difference is that Marxists are materialists. We don’t believe Putin is some embodiment of supernatural evil trying to eat babies and conquer the world, we seek materialist explanations for the conditions and analyze them dialectically. This puts our analysis at odds with those who see the world similarly to Marvel movies, as conflict between the forces of good and evil.
Marxist-Leninists despise NATO, for the genocidal terror inflicted by its member-states around the world and its position as a coalition of imperialist powers
Yep, just trying to keep it basic in this environment. There’s a mountain of depth we could go to, but for many people here this may be their first time hearing actual opposition to NATO as an institution, with no knowledge of Marxism beyond “capitalism bad, communism good.” You gotta meet people where they are at, without committing tailist errors by blocking further growth.
For sure. I just feel like “it was full of nazis from its’ inception” is a good starting point - If there are good sources backing the claim. Most people understand that “nazi = bad” so it’s a great way to make them think deeper about NATO because most westerners are of the notion that “NATO = good”
Yep, linking the Wikipedia page for Adolf Heusinger can be helpful. At the same time, liberals tend to compartmentalize that to the past and focus instead on the present, like history is a series of snapshots. This is the limit of metaphysical analysis at the heart of liberalism. The entrypoint should often instead be how NATO is actively bad today. Then you can connect it historically as supporting evidence, and use this to develop rudimentary historical materialist analysis.
So you have no examples? Like, you don’t even have to link it. You can literally just tell me an example. I’m just asking for the bare minimum here mate.
My feed is full of Linux memes and pro Palestine posts. I’m not the charactercher you’ve constructed in your head.
You sit on one of the most de-federated instance and that instance federates and actively integrates with the few other most de-federated instances. There is no irony in pointing that out here. .world is progressive and well moderated, ML is authoritarian left and poorly moderated. Its not a nazi bar because a nazi sat there, they have a welcome sign on the fucking door.
First of all, I didn’t call you a Nazi. You’re a tankie, lemmy.ml is a tankie bar, I was using Nazi bar as an analogy it was clear in my comment. And .world is more anti-authoritarian than half the anarchist instances on here and every single tankie instance combined. It’s completely insane to claim pro-Palestine posts are censored on .world. The only things that ever get removed are the most unhinged wedge posts, complete misinfo, and people exploting them to call for violence against left wing parities.
Regarding your defederation numbers: there is zero chance in hell that sh.itjust.works is more defederated than lemmy.ml or the tankie instances. sh.itjust.works is federated with basically the entire Fediverse. Meanwhile, lemmy.ml, lemmygrad, and hexbear are blacklisted by a massive chunk of large Lemmy and Mastodon instances because people are sick of tankie mods and atrocity denial. And nice job digging for 3 year-old comments its crazy that I am still 100% more of an actual progressive than you’ll ever be.
The community that is concerned about documenting authoritarian hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia and historical revisionism. But a anarchist wouldnt care about that because there is no way an anarchist would be licking the boots of tankies right? I mean you just happened to stumble upon lemmy.ml and stay there for 3 years just out of sheer fucking happenstance right?
Responded here. Basically, I couldn’t find anything showing what people claim, but I would love to. At least we have a starting point if we can find any post. After that we need to move to it being so common it’s just something you see, but hey, let’s just start at step one and take it from then.
Nothing you said disproves the original post. You can try and muddy the waters but its pretty unconvincing to anyone with half a brain. Its funny that you trying and run defensive for people openly admitting their positions.
who have been working to undermine Europe on behalf of russia.
literally zero evidence of this other than a lot of loud people with hurt feelings online.
‘saying they want to disclose’
here’s what OP thinks
i’m a trans anarchist who happened to land on this server out of sheer fucking happenstance almost 4 years ago, part of why i havent bothered to leave is because it’s always the most overt fascists getting really mad about a fucking posting server.
sheer fucking happenstance. Also sheer fucking happenstance to have an account on hexbear.net. Also sheerfucking happenstance to show up everytime someone says they dont want russia to undermine the west. Also sheer fucking happenstance to have some russian commie quote in your bio. Also sheer fucking happenstance to defend MLs when they want to create an authoritarian state that would take away all your freedoms.
hate to break it to you but i am trans and i literally am in irl anarchist organizing, can you guess why i am not in russia?
also makes it sound like you don’t think people are ‘really’ trans unless they agree with you
also sheer fucking happenstance to defend MLs when they want to create an authoritarian state that would take away all your freedoms.
i live in the us right now, it’s full on genocidal liberal capitalist authoritarianism; anything other than this would be an improvement. so i don’t have an issue with marxists, i find common cause.
Also sheer fucking happenstance to have an account on hexbear.net.
dawg my hexbear account is way younger than my current account; i moderate one of their comms so having a local account is useful.
i only started using hexbear because people like you wouldn’t shut up about how much you hate it
Also sheer fucking happenstance to have some russian commie quote in your bio.
it’s not an attributed quote lmao.
just stating that some jobs only exist to serve power rather than society, ie police.
i can see why it struck a nerve for you though, based on how you post
Even if only one person at the bar is a Nazi, if you keep going everyone is going to call you a Nazi as well once the bar is known for being on with Nazis.
As long as your ok with being associated with the thing the place is known for then it doesn’t really matter.
The vocal group of a place is it’s face no matter how big or small that group is.
Right, and there’s no one who supports Putin on .ml.
For a group of people who like to fellate themselves talking about “nuance” you people struggle with anyone who has a deeper analysis than “Putin evil, Russians are orcs, Russia is Mordor, Europe is full of elves, zelensky is Aragorn”. It makes you see red and go “OH SO YOU LOVE PUTIN??? WOWWWW”
Ah yes, I made a typo and therefore anything I say is dumb and wrong.
You made the assertion that no one on ml supports putin. I’ve argued with many people on ml who support what russia is doing in Ukraine. Now, im not so naive to say that everyone who supports russias annexation is a putin supporter, but by the very fact they support his actions, they implicitly have some level of support of putin. It ain’t hard bruh.
Ask the typical tankie from ml or hexbear whether they agree that Putin should face his criminal charges at the ICC and is just as much a war criminal as Bibi and that they were wrong to invade Ukraine and wage an attempted genocide, and whether China and North Korea are also complicit in genocide for supporting Russia’s illegal invasion. I bet the majority dodge the straightforward question with what should be a straightforward answer.
Don’t be dismayed by conglomeration of either young and naive kool-aid drinkers, or the actual foreign operatives (for which we know have major online troll farms).
Russia is engaged in a war with a near peer, Israel is committing an extermination campaign on Palestine using stolen land. I have no love for Putin, reactionary nationalist that he is, but to equate the Russo-Ukrainian war with the genocide of Palestine is to make a mockery of genocide. Further, such a blanket statement erases the plight of the people of the Donbass region, who have been at war with Kiev since 2014 and who want to join the Russian Federation. The Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics have just as much a right to self-determination as Palestinians do.
Condemn Putin all you want, I have no love for him as I said. Hang him if you will. But don’t undermine the actual plight of the many decades of genocide committed against the Palestinian people to “own the tankies.” You have a history of undermining the plight of Palestinians, this isn’t a new development for you, it’s a repeated pattern.
Agreeing makes no assertions as to the relative severity of the genocide (for there is of course always a worse genocide capable of being perpetrated); it simply agrees that both are war criminals who should be prosecuted relative to their stated War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity.
Seeing you devolve into Pro-Kremlin propaganda as any good Vatnik does, I am not surprised in the slightest. Defending traitors of the Donbass like one would the Confederacy of the US Civil War is equally atrocious. I wonder if you could even acknowledge that MH17 was brought down by a Russian BUK.
So in more ways than one, you revealed your hand in this comment.
Thus neutral audience take note as this individual is a case-in-point: They could not simply say “Yes.”
Edit: Fun little scavenger-hunt. Can anyone spot the other subtlety revealing their Russo-bias?
Ukraine is not being subject to genocide. It is a peer-near peer war. The genocide in Palestine is a mass extermination campaign. To the extent that Putin should be tried for war crimes, so should Zelensky and the government in Kiev, who have had allegations of war crimes independently investigated since 2014 when the Ukrainian Civil War began. Zelensky himself won his presidency in 2019 on the basis of downscaling the war, but instead continued pressing forward.
As for the struggle of the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics, equating them to the slavers of the Confederacy is enormously farcical. The people of the DPR and LPR seceded not to commit slavery, but because the president they popularly supported was coup’d by the Bandera-upholding factions in the Euromaidan coup.
The people of the Donbass speak Russian at higher degrees than most of the rest of Ukraine, and thus the language laws restricting Russian also facilitated the decision to leave. The people of the Donbass have the right to self-determination, just like the people of Palestine. The Confederacy had no such right because they were separating in order to continue slavery, not because they were escaping instability and the suppression of the language they spoke.
The “neutral audience,” which does not exist as nobody is truly neutral, can see plainly how you undermine the plight of Palestinians and the people of the Donbass region plainly.
^ This is baseless Pro-Kremlin misinformation and revisionist history that attempts to justify the illegal annexation of sovereign Ukrainian land. Genocides can indeed be perpetrated between “peers” (though it’s hilarious that there was once a point Ruzzia didn’t consider them to be a peer, hence the 3 day SMO (LOL!). So here this sadistic genocide-endorser condones the relentless strikes of civilian cities and death of Ukrainian children just the same, all of which could stop if Ruzzia simply left Ukraine’s sovereign land, including Donbas and Crimea.
I’m not here to justify anything. I am here to point out your trivialization of genocide in Palestine and your disregard for the people of the Donbass region. When you hurl allegations of genocide as though they are meaningless, you make light of the most widely documented and understood ongoing genocide in the world. Standing up for Palestine and taking an accurate view against blatant undermining of their plight is not “pro-Kremlin.” I already said you could hang Putin, he’s a reactionary nationalist.
Saying “free Palestine” is hypocritical when you’ve said this zinger:
Just as you call Donetsk and Luhansk “traitors,” you also cape for settler-colonialism and give Israel a free pass. This is pure liberal Zionism, both-sidesing a genocide. This is further driven home by the fact that only 4 countries internationally recognize genocide committed by Russia:
While the vast majority of the world recognizes the genocide in Palestine:
None of this is “pro-Kremlin.” Above all, I stand with the people of Palestine, as well as those in the Donbass, in their struggles for self-determination, as is in line with Marxism-Leninism.
Well its not one question, its a bunch lumped together.
Should Putin face criminal charges at the ICC?
Sure
like Bibi?
Neither Putin nor Netanyahu are the issues with their nation or the driving force behind what is going on. Putin is in fact the moderate in the Russian government, waiting much longer than what most of his colleagues wanted him to with regards to invasion and subsequent escalation. Like how 80+% of israelis support the genocide.
If you want him convicted? Probably not.
He’s just as much a war criminal
No. Israel is enacting an actual genocide against a defenceless population, the genocide has been going on since 1947 and has drastically accelerated these last few years.
While there are many accusations of genocide against Russia, its pretty clear (as has been thoroughly investigated by international observers - whom have been allowed to investigate, unlike in Israel) that, while there are civilian casualties, the goal of the russian military is to win a war against Ukraine, not exterminate a people.
he was wrong to invade Ukraine
Honestly, this one is tough. I feel like it was wrong, but I understand why Russia did it - the NATO posturing, the brinksmanship, the constant breaches of treaties… At a certain point one has to ask what else Russia could do. Now I know how you’re going to take this “OH SO YOU SUPPORT RUSSIA YOU CONDONE AHHH” but really if you actually read what I write, then that’s not what I am saying. I am saying, given russias position, russias interest in remaining a sovereign country, the threat against Russia (perceived or real), the situation Russia was in was one where the only outcome given to it was invasion. Its not like it did not try diplomacy first.
wage an attempted genocide
Wait, aren’t you the zionist who couldn’t say Israel is committing a genocide? A classic zionist tactic is cheapening the word by using it to describe any hostile action. Im sorry, but between Russia and Ukraine, Russia is not the one who has systematically pursued an ethnic minority, banned the language of that minority, bombed the fuck out of areas with that minority and all that stuff.
China and North Korea are also complicit in genocide for supporting Russia’s illegal invasion.
Since I don’t see how Russia is committing a genocide (because genocide isn’t just “when you are at war” if that were the case then the Native Americans committed genocide against colonists in the 17- and 1800’s. I hope we can both see how ridiculous that is.) They are giving support to Russia, so they are complicit. Id like to know what makes the invasion of Ukraine less legal than other invasions before I agree on the “illegal” part.
for which we know have major online troll farms
Everyone Who Disagrees With Me Is A Foreigner.
This refrain of yours is so odd to me, because I never see you invokenit with people you agree with, despite the fact there’s also massive pro-us-regime botfarms.
Yes i dont think a poem that lists several groups of people being targeted by the state is the same as someone saying they want to disclose people who have been working to undermine Europe on behalf of russia.
This has nothing to do with communists they were not mentioned. MLs are only a subsect of communists and they are mentioned for deepthroating Putin’s boot not because they’re communists.
I really would love to understand where this idea that “Marxist Leninist = Putin supporter”
Marxist Leninist (myself included) hate Putin. Putin is literally the embodiment of western neoliberalism in post Soviet Russia. He was literally installed and supported by western aligned oligarchs and capitalist within Russia.
I really am curious where you get this idea. I’d love receipts. I really hope it’s not just “MLs criticize NATO”. I really really hope it’s not just a binary view of the world like that. I swear people view the world like it’s a football match.
Do you think Russia is still run by MLs?
Woah, I have never seen a Marxist Leninist on here criticise Putin before. Fair play.
Why would we not criticize Putin? He’s a reactionary capitalist. Our critique of Putin isn’t that he’s some supernatural evil like liberal analysis often circles back to, but instead based on his actual, material position. Pushing back on liberal analysis doesn’t mean Putin is “our guy” or anything of the sort. First and foremost, we oppose the imperialist system headed by the US, and NATO which exists to protect it.
Any critical support for Russia extends to their right to self-determination from NATO encirclement, and their opposition to western imperialism, not to their reactionary, bourgeois society nor Putin at the top. The dissolution of the Soviet Union was a tremendous human tragedy, one that directly led to the current war today.
I’m happy to hear that.
Really?
Really.
I guess we hang out in different circles then.
Don’t play dumb to try and waste my time. You know exactly where it comes from and you’re on the ML instance so your feed is full of pro russia shit.
Marxist-Leninists despise NATO, for the genocidal terror inflicted by its member-states around the world and its position as a coalition of imperialist powers. Marxist-Leninists also despise Putin and United Russia, and believe socialism to be a necessity for Russia in the future that the nationalists will not accept willingly.
The major difference is that Marxists are materialists. We don’t believe Putin is some embodiment of supernatural evil trying to eat babies and conquer the world, we seek materialist explanations for the conditions and analyze them dialectically. This puts our analysis at odds with those who see the world similarly to Marvel movies, as conflict between the forces of good and evil.
Well… That, and the fact that it is a nazi institution full of nazis that put nazis back into power in West germany 2
Not that the history of an institution condems it completely, but it certainly does not help when it continues to be a nazi institution
Yep, just trying to keep it basic in this environment. There’s a mountain of depth we could go to, but for many people here this may be their first time hearing actual opposition to NATO as an institution, with no knowledge of Marxism beyond “capitalism bad, communism good.” You gotta meet people where they are at, without committing tailist errors by blocking further growth.
For sure. I just feel like “it was full of nazis from its’ inception” is a good starting point - If there are good sources backing the claim. Most people understand that “nazi = bad” so it’s a great way to make them think deeper about NATO because most westerners are of the notion that “NATO = good”
Yep, linking the Wikipedia page for Adolf Heusinger can be helpful. At the same time, liberals tend to compartmentalize that to the past and focus instead on the present, like history is a series of snapshots. This is the limit of metaphysical analysis at the heart of liberalism. The entrypoint should often instead be how NATO is actively bad today. Then you can connect it historically as supporting evidence, and use this to develop rudimentary historical materialist analysis.
So you have no examples? Like, you don’t even have to link it. You can literally just tell me an example. I’m just asking for the bare minimum here mate.
My feed is full of Linux memes and pro Palestine posts. I’m not the charactercher you’ve constructed in your head.
https://lemmy.nz/post/22289983
The irony of people doing guilt by association on .ml posting the biggest Nazi bar on Lemmy is sending me
You sit on one of the most de-federated instance and that instance federates and actively integrates with the few other most de-federated instances. There is no irony in pointing that out here. .world is progressive and well moderated, ML is authoritarian left and poorly moderated. Its not a nazi bar because a nazi sat there, they have a welcome sign on the fucking door.
last I checked more instances defederate .world (55) than .ml (37).
mwog (on sh.itjust.works) is the nazi bar I was referring to, they love talking about wiping out ‘degenerate roaches’ and it’s basically unmoderated.
.world is authoritarian liberalism. it is infamous for censoring people for being pro palestine and allowing zionists almost free reign.
one of .worlds mods used an admin tool to ban me from a comm that he didn’t even moderate in retaliation because I banned him from a trans space for posting matt walsh videos to mock people.
I prefer authoritarian moderation against bigots.
wow you seem charming, so progressive!
here’s you salivating at the thought of getting fresh footage of people dying:
spoiler
fuckin gross, hilarious that you’re calling anyone else a nazi
First of all, I didn’t call you a Nazi. You’re a tankie, lemmy.ml is a tankie bar, I was using Nazi bar as an analogy it was clear in my comment. And .world is more anti-authoritarian than half the anarchist instances on here and every single tankie instance combined. It’s completely insane to claim pro-Palestine posts are censored on .world. The only things that ever get removed are the most unhinged wedge posts, complete misinfo, and people exploting them to call for violence against left wing parities.
Regarding your defederation numbers: there is zero chance in hell that sh.itjust.works is more defederated than lemmy.ml or the tankie instances. sh.itjust.works is federated with basically the entire Fediverse. Meanwhile, lemmy.ml, lemmygrad, and hexbear are blacklisted by a massive chunk of large Lemmy and Mastodon instances because people are sick of tankie mods and atrocity denial. And nice job digging for 3 year-old comments its crazy that I am still 100% more of an actual progressive than you’ll ever be.
So you can’t prove it? Alright
https://lemmy.nz/post/22289983
Ah yes the comm that’s very concerned about maintaining purity from ‘degenerates’
The community that is concerned about documenting authoritarian hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia and historical revisionism. But a anarchist wouldnt care about that because there is no way an anarchist would be licking the boots of tankies right? I mean you just happened to stumble upon lemmy.ml and stay there for 3 years just out of sheer fucking happenstance right?
that comm is full of fucking nazis, so obviously you’re a fan.
as an anarchist i have way more in common with most marxists than people like you.
You are not an anarchist you’re a tankie.
Responded here. Basically, I couldn’t find anything showing what people claim, but I would love to. At least we have a starting point if we can find any post. After that we need to move to it being so common it’s just something you see, but hey, let’s just start at step one and take it from then.
Nothing you said disproves the original post. You can try and muddy the waters but its pretty unconvincing to anyone with half a brain. Its funny that you trying and run defensive for people openly admitting their positions.
literally zero evidence of this other than a lot of loud people with hurt feelings online.
‘saying they want to disclose’
here’s what OP thinks
i’m a trans anarchist who happened to land on this server out of sheer fucking happenstance almost 4 years ago, part of why i havent bothered to leave is because it’s always the most overt fascists getting really mad about a fucking posting server.
sheer fucking happenstance. Also sheer fucking happenstance to have an account on hexbear.net. Also sheerfucking happenstance to show up everytime someone says they dont want russia to undermine the west. Also sheer fucking happenstance to have some russian commie quote in your bio. Also sheer fucking happenstance to defend MLs when they want to create an authoritarian state that would take away all your freedoms.
but you’re just a trans anarchist UWU
hate to break it to you but i am trans and i literally am in irl anarchist organizing, can you guess why i am not in russia?
also makes it sound like you don’t think people are ‘really’ trans unless they agree with you
i live in the us right now, it’s full on genocidal liberal capitalist authoritarianism; anything other than this would be an improvement. so i don’t have an issue with marxists, i find common cause.
dawg my hexbear account is way younger than my current account; i moderate one of their comms so having a local account is useful.
i only started using hexbear because people like you wouldn’t shut up about how much you hate it
it’s not an attributed quote lmao. just stating that some jobs only exist to serve power rather than society, ie police.
i can see why it struck a nerve for you though, based on how you post
It’s just the Nazi bar problem.
Even if only one person at the bar is a Nazi, if you keep going everyone is going to call you a Nazi as well once the bar is known for being on with Nazis.
As long as your ok with being associated with the thing the place is known for then it doesn’t really matter.
The vocal group of a place is it’s face no matter how big or small that group is.
Right, and there’s no one who supports Putin on .ml.
For a group of people who like to fellate themselves talking about “nuance” you people struggle with anyone who has a deeper analysis than “Putin evil, Russians are orcs, Russia is Mordor, Europe is full of elves, zelensky is Aragorn”. It makes you see red and go “OH SO YOU LOVE PUTIN??? WOWWWW”
🧢🧢🧢
What?
It means your statement is bs
*your
edit: anyways prove it. You people keep making this claim, yet none of you have any proof. I should think it would be easy
Ah yes, I made a typo and therefore anything I say is dumb and wrong.
You made the assertion that no one on ml supports putin. I’ve argued with many people on ml who support what russia is doing in Ukraine. Now, im not so naive to say that everyone who supports russias annexation is a putin supporter, but by the very fact they support his actions, they implicitly have some level of support of putin. It ain’t hard bruh.
Ask the typical tankie from ml or hexbear whether they agree that Putin should face his criminal charges at the ICC and is just as much a war criminal as Bibi and that they were wrong to invade Ukraine and wage an attempted genocide, and whether China and North Korea are also complicit in genocide for supporting Russia’s illegal invasion. I bet the majority dodge the straightforward question with what should be a straightforward answer.
Don’t be dismayed by conglomeration of either young and naive kool-aid drinkers, or the actual foreign operatives (for which we know have major online troll farms).
EDIT: Case in point, lol.
Russia is engaged in a war with a near peer, Israel is committing an extermination campaign on Palestine using stolen land. I have no love for Putin, reactionary nationalist that he is, but to equate the Russo-Ukrainian war with the genocide of Palestine is to make a mockery of genocide. Further, such a blanket statement erases the plight of the people of the Donbass region, who have been at war with Kiev since 2014 and who want to join the Russian Federation. The Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics have just as much a right to self-determination as Palestinians do.
Condemn Putin all you want, I have no love for him as I said. Hang him if you will. But don’t undermine the actual plight of the many decades of genocide committed against the Palestinian people to “own the tankies.” You have a history of undermining the plight of Palestinians, this isn’t a new development for you, it’s a repeated pattern.
Agreeing makes no assertions as to the relative severity of the genocide (for there is of course always a worse genocide capable of being perpetrated); it simply agrees that both are war criminals who should be prosecuted relative to their stated War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity.
Seeing you devolve into Pro-Kremlin propaganda as any good Vatnik does, I am not surprised in the slightest. Defending traitors of the Donbass like one would the Confederacy of the US Civil War is equally atrocious. I wonder if you could even acknowledge that MH17 was brought down by a Russian BUK.
So in more ways than one, you revealed your hand in this comment.
Thus neutral audience take note as this individual is a case-in-point: They could not simply say “Yes.”
Edit: Fun little scavenger-hunt. Can anyone spot the other subtlety revealing their Russo-bias?
Ukraine is not being subject to genocide. It is a peer-near peer war. The genocide in Palestine is a mass extermination campaign. To the extent that Putin should be tried for war crimes, so should Zelensky and the government in Kiev, who have had allegations of war crimes independently investigated since 2014 when the Ukrainian Civil War began. Zelensky himself won his presidency in 2019 on the basis of downscaling the war, but instead continued pressing forward.
As for the struggle of the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics, equating them to the slavers of the Confederacy is enormously farcical. The people of the DPR and LPR seceded not to commit slavery, but because the president they popularly supported was coup’d by the Bandera-upholding factions in the Euromaidan coup.
The people of the Donbass speak Russian at higher degrees than most of the rest of Ukraine, and thus the language laws restricting Russian also facilitated the decision to leave. The people of the Donbass have the right to self-determination, just like the people of Palestine. The Confederacy had no such right because they were separating in order to continue slavery, not because they were escaping instability and the suppression of the language they spoke.
The “neutral audience,” which does not exist as nobody is truly neutral, can see plainly how you undermine the plight of Palestinians and the people of the Donbass region plainly.
^ This is baseless Pro-Kremlin misinformation and revisionist history that attempts to justify the illegal annexation of sovereign Ukrainian land. Genocides can indeed be perpetrated between “peers” (though it’s hilarious that there was once a point Ruzzia didn’t consider them to be a peer, hence the 3 day SMO (LOL!). So here this sadistic genocide-endorser condones the relentless strikes of civilian cities and death of Ukrainian children just the same, all of which could stop if Ruzzia simply left Ukraine’s sovereign land, including Donbas and Crimea.
Stop simping for dictators.
Slava Ukraini
Free Palestine
See? That easy.
What did I say that is baseless? Be very specific. Is it the fact that Russian is spoken at higher rates in the Donbass?
Or is it that the people of Donetsk and Luhansk seceded in 2014, in response to Euromaidan?
Or, perhaps, is it that Ukraine is also guilty of targeting civilians in Russia, not to speak of the Donbass region?
Meanwhile, even the minimum confirmed deaths of Palestinians are multiple times the confirmed deaths of Ukrainian civilians, despite Ukraine being in an active war for a year longer.
I’m not here to justify anything. I am here to point out your trivialization of genocide in Palestine and your disregard for the people of the Donbass region. When you hurl allegations of genocide as though they are meaningless, you make light of the most widely documented and understood ongoing genocide in the world. Standing up for Palestine and taking an accurate view against blatant undermining of their plight is not “pro-Kremlin.” I already said you could hang Putin, he’s a reactionary nationalist.
Saying “free Palestine” is hypocritical when you’ve said this zinger:
Just as you call Donetsk and Luhansk “traitors,” you also cape for settler-colonialism and give Israel a free pass. This is pure liberal Zionism, both-sidesing a genocide. This is further driven home by the fact that only 4 countries internationally recognize genocide committed by Russia:
While the vast majority of the world recognizes the genocide in Palestine:
None of this is “pro-Kremlin.” Above all, I stand with the people of Palestine, as well as those in the Donbass, in their struggles for self-determination, as is in line with Marxism-Leninism.
Well its not one question, its a bunch lumped together.
Sure
No. Israel is enacting an actual genocide against a defenceless population, the genocide has been going on since 1947 and has drastically accelerated these last few years.
While there are many accusations of genocide against Russia, its pretty clear (as has been thoroughly investigated by international observers - whom have been allowed to investigate, unlike in Israel) that, while there are civilian casualties, the goal of the russian military is to win a war against Ukraine, not exterminate a people.
Honestly, this one is tough. I feel like it was wrong, but I understand why Russia did it - the NATO posturing, the brinksmanship, the constant breaches of treaties… At a certain point one has to ask what else Russia could do. Now I know how you’re going to take this “OH SO YOU SUPPORT RUSSIA YOU CONDONE AHHH” but really if you actually read what I write, then that’s not what I am saying. I am saying, given russias position, russias interest in remaining a sovereign country, the threat against Russia (perceived or real), the situation Russia was in was one where the only outcome given to it was invasion. Its not like it did not try diplomacy first.
Wait, aren’t you the zionist who couldn’t say Israel is committing a genocide? A classic zionist tactic is cheapening the word by using it to describe any hostile action. Im sorry, but between Russia and Ukraine, Russia is not the one who has systematically pursued an ethnic minority, banned the language of that minority, bombed the fuck out of areas with that minority and all that stuff.
Since I don’t see how Russia is committing a genocide (because genocide isn’t just “when you are at war” if that were the case then the Native Americans committed genocide against colonists in the 17- and 1800’s. I hope we can both see how ridiculous that is.) They are giving support to Russia, so they are complicit. Id like to know what makes the invasion of Ukraine less legal than other invasions before I agree on the “illegal” part.
Everyone Who Disagrees With Me Is A Foreigner.
This refrain of yours is so odd to me, because I never see you invokenit with people you agree with, despite the fact there’s also massive pro-us-regime botfarms.