• DudleyMason@lemmy.ml
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    2 days ago

    The only rational voting strategy is voting for leftists in the Democratic primary, and then voting against the fascists in the general, even if that means voting for the neo-lib.

    That strategy is only rational if you believe that voting progressive in the primary will create change faster than the status quo will kill us all. And forty years of the party continually fucking off further right at the behear of it’s Wall St paymasters screams loudly that that belief is a fantasy, and your strategy is delusional.

    You continue to hand power to the people making things worse and pretend you’re doing harm reduction.

    • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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      That strategy is only rational if you believe that voting progressive in the primary will create change faster than the status quo will kill us all.

      False. The best strategy is still the best strategy even if the outcome is still bad. Voting for a third party has a worse outcome. Not voting has a worse outcome. Despite voting for Dems still being a bad outcome, it is the least bad achievable outcome. Hence, harm reduction.

      And forty years of the party continually fucking off further right at the behear of it’s Wall St paymasters screams loudly that that belief is a fantasy, and your strategy is delusional.

      On the contrary, it screams loudly that protest voting is not only ineffective, it’s counterproductive. When they lose progressives, they don’t shift left, they shift right to try to get more centrists.

      You continue to hand power to the people making things worse faster and pretend your protest achieves something. It does not, the rightward shift of the Democrats screams this.

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        17 hours ago

        Voting for a third party has a worse outcome. Not voting has a worse outcome

        Only if you’re a spoiled child incapable of thinking any further ahead than right now.

        In the king term your strategy has no chance of ever improving anything. Your best case outcome is “thing get much worse. But a little bit more slowly”.

        You’re clinging to the ratchet for fear of the wheel, when the only answer is to destroy the whole machine. Voting outside the duopoly or abstaining altogether offer even a slim chance of that. The good news is the chances get less slim with each person who gives up on the genocidal war party in disgust, so the numbers are shifting in ways that give me hope. In ankther cycle or two, when even more Dem voters realize that the DSA isn’t going to change anything either, I expect the rate of attrition for the Neoliberal ghouls to increase starkly.

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          Only if you’re a spoiled child incapable of thinking any further ahead than right now.

          On the contrary, that’s your position. You want the revolution right now without the work required to build it, regardless of who gets hurt in a failed attempt. Spoiled and short-sighted nonsense.

          the only answer is to destroy the whole machine.

          We don’t have the organized power to do that yet.

          Voting outside the duopoly or abstaining altogether offer even a slim chance of that

          Only in your mind. Not in reality. There is absolutely zero evidence that that works.

          when even more Dem voters realize that the DSA isn’t going to change anything either, I expect the rate of attrition for the Neoliberal ghouls to increase starkly.

          Counterproductive doomerism. You’re not a serious adult.