How did Harris “do war crimes”? Did she give orders to the IDF? Is she a member of the Israeli government?
It took a while before the international community sort of acknowledged this war was a genocide. Israel always has been great at playing the victim, and has always been under the protection of the US. In this context, the US government under Biden provided support, as it often does. Many other states did, and still do.
My point is, the whole fucking world is complicit. Is everyone a war criminal now? Should we be using this to drive yet another wedge among the left?
My point is, the whole fucking world is complicit.
Most of the world is to an extent, but not all the world is war crime levels of complicit. Arming people with the knowledge they’ll be committing war crimes is a war crime, full stop. Israel was bombing hospitals and aid workers from day one.
Should we be using this to drive yet another wedge among the left?
First, Harris is not part of “the left.” Second, opposing genocide is basic human decency. For any vaguely left-lesning cause, someone who can’t even do that much is less than worthless; they’re a liability.
SHE SUPPORTED AMERICA’S INVOLVEMENT FROM HER POSITION OF POWER. Stop being a bootlicking piece of shit for one second and you’ll realize it’s OK to call her what she is: a goddamned criminal.
no. it is not. to support israel is to support genocide. from its inception it’s been genocide the entire time. it is ok for things to feel uncomfortable but that’s how you progress. genocide bad. ok?
People are making this black and white when it is very much not.
You’ll do anything to justify the genocide all centrists dearly love.
During the Biden presidency she pushed for more protection for Palestinian civilians and more to prevent famine, but was blocked by the administration.
Not only Harris supported defensive weapons but also offensive weapon. Don’t you think giving gaza defensive arms would also save palestinian lives too? Would you also have supported Nazi getting weapons from your country while they comited genocide? The occupying forces and grnocidal state shouldn’t have sny right to self defence
It is not. She accepted a position of power that require to fix complex issues so people has the right to critisize just like a parent can critisize a terrible teachers that not do her job correctly
Israel created hamas, trough hundred years of genocide and occupation. It is a Zionist settler colonial project created in image of the USA. Hamas are a reaction to exactly that, it is a resistance shaped by generations of genocide, discrimination and persecution. Israel stole the land of Palestine and now wishes to expand towards Lebanon and Syria. And they won’t stop, they are the stronghold of the US interests in the region, they are supported by both parties.
It’s entirely possible to want the Palestinians to be safe from harm while at the same time wanting to give Israel funding for the Iron Dome and other defensive measures to protect their people from Hamas.
No it isn’t. Do you also support sending weapons and money to Russia? Would you have supported it for Nazi Germany? Do you really not appreciate the insanity of saying “it’s possible to oppose the holocaust while also supporting sending troops to guard the death camp!”
Everyone who, from a place of power to do so, aided in a genocide, in the world, is in fact a war criminal. Yes, that’s what that fucking means. Democrats are not the left. And if I have to support genocide to work with someone I will not be working with that person or their movement. It’s ridiculous I even have to say that.
I’m not American, and am working with parties that affect actual change in my country. What YOU need to realize is that your parties are not the ways you affect actual change anymore in the United States. You have two right wing genocide parties. How you fix that is with popular working class movements, not by shaming people who are actively trying to foster them. Your country is the way it is in large part because of people like you shrieking “vote blue no matter who” while the democrats move further and further to the right and help wreak untold havoc on the rest of the world.
American liberals absolutely do not know what they’re talking about at all
You. Would. Not. Know.
Because politics includes everything, not just soundbites cherrypicked by various propaganda arms, not just random comments on the web. Everything else that makes up a society plays into what politics is. Your understanding is necessarily incomplete - likely very incomplete.
But you do you. I see how well it’s been working in your country so far.
No, you weasel fart, I think @cruxifux@feddit.nl is very well informed. I’ve interacted with them for a couple years now. The United States political system is unfortunately well-known around the world. Far more, I’m sure, than you’re informed about say, The Netherlands.
Your buddy did not promise unconditional support for Israel the settler colonial power oppressing and stealing Palestinians land for half a century and billions of military budget to Israel.
You guys are so dumb with your brainless arguments
You said “work for a government” you did not set the goalposts where you are attempting to move them to.
Let’s not get uncivil here given you are complaining the Vice President, who typically has little to no power to effect change, wasn’t an agent of change.
How did Harris “do war crimes”? Did she give orders to the IDF? Is she a member of the Israeli government?
It took a while before the international community sort of acknowledged this war was a genocide. Israel always has been great at playing the victim, and has always been under the protection of the US. In this context, the US government under Biden provided support, as it often does. Many other states did, and still do.
My point is, the whole fucking world is complicit. Is everyone a war criminal now? Should we be using this to drive yet another wedge among the left?
Most of the world is to an extent, but not all the world is war crime levels of complicit. Arming people with the knowledge they’ll be committing war crimes is a war crime, full stop. Israel was bombing hospitals and aid workers from day one.
First, Harris is not part of “the left.” Second, opposing genocide is basic human decency. For any vaguely left-lesning cause, someone who can’t even do that much is less than worthless; they’re a liability.
Never said she was, but I am, maybe you are, as well as a lot of people in this thread who keep insulting each other.
See how this works?
how?
SHE SUPPORTED AMERICA’S INVOLVEMENT FROM HER POSITION OF POWER. Stop being a bootlicking piece of shit for one second and you’ll realize it’s OK to call her what she is: a goddamned criminal.
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no. it is not. to support israel is to support genocide. from its inception it’s been genocide the entire time. it is ok for things to feel uncomfortable but that’s how you progress. genocide bad. ok?
You’ll do anything to justify the genocide all centrists dearly love.
Sure she did. BeHiNd ThE sCeNeS.
Not only Harris supported defensive weapons but also offensive weapon. Don’t you think giving gaza defensive arms would also save palestinian lives too? Would you also have supported Nazi getting weapons from your country while they comited genocide? The occupying forces and grnocidal state shouldn’t have sny right to self defence
It sounds so simple, it must really be simple.
It is simple to not go to an aipac event and not to promise uncondtional support.
Simple or not is beside the point anyway
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It is not. She accepted a position of power that require to fix complex issues so people has the right to critisize just like a parent can critisize a terrible teachers that not do her job correctly
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It is
You sound so simple.
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KHAMAAS!!!
Israel created hamas, trough hundred years of genocide and occupation. It is a Zionist settler colonial project created in image of the USA. Hamas are a reaction to exactly that, it is a resistance shaped by generations of genocide, discrimination and persecution. Israel stole the land of Palestine and now wishes to expand towards Lebanon and Syria. And they won’t stop, they are the stronghold of the US interests in the region, they are supported by both parties.
No it isn’t. Do you also support sending weapons and money to Russia? Would you have supported it for Nazi Germany? Do you really not appreciate the insanity of saying “it’s possible to oppose the holocaust while also supporting sending troops to guard the death camp!”
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Everyone who, from a place of power to do so, aided in a genocide, in the world, is in fact a war criminal. Yes, that’s what that fucking means. Democrats are not the left. And if I have to support genocide to work with someone I will not be working with that person or their movement. It’s ridiculous I even have to say that.
Which is why you’re working with a national party that has a real chance of affecting change in America!
Um, which party was that, again?
I’m not American, and am working with parties that affect actual change in my country. What YOU need to realize is that your parties are not the ways you affect actual change anymore in the United States. You have two right wing genocide parties. How you fix that is with popular working class movements, not by shaming people who are actively trying to foster them. Your country is the way it is in large part because of people like you shrieking “vote blue no matter who” while the democrats move further and further to the right and help wreak untold havoc on the rest of the world.
Edited for the sake of civility.
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American liberals absolutely do not know what they’re talking about at all but you do you, I see how well it’s been working so far.
You. Would. Not. Know.
Because politics includes everything, not just soundbites cherrypicked by various propaganda arms, not just random comments on the web. Everything else that makes up a society plays into what politics is. Your understanding is necessarily incomplete - likely very incomplete.
But you do you. I see how well it’s been working in your country so far.
No, you weasel fart, I think @cruxifux@feddit.nl is very well informed. I’ve interacted with them for a couple years now. The United States political system is unfortunately well-known around the world. Far more, I’m sure, than you’re informed about say, The Netherlands.
Nah, I know from talking with drooling morons like you online and also in person every time Americans come here to visit or whenever I visit there.
Keep gloating that your only policy is supported by both parties.
Anybody who don’t resign from a government complicit in genocide is a war criminal
Is my buddy a war criminal because he didn’t give up his job with the Postal Service?
Your buddy did not promise unconditional support for Israel the settler colonial power oppressing and stealing Palestinians land for half a century and billions of military budget to Israel.
You guys are so dumb with your brainless arguments
“Anybody who don’t resign from a government complicit in genocide is a war criminal”
“You guys are so dumb with your brainless arguments”
Im 100% positive that no one is dumber than the claims you have made back to back.
Nobody dumber than politician dick suckers like you
Post office delivery drivers are not government officials, dumbass
You said “work for a government” you did not set the goalposts where you are attempting to move them to.
Let’s not get uncivil here given you are complaining the Vice President, who typically has little to no power to effect change, wasn’t an agent of change.
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