Flipping the candidate 4-5 months before the election is the dumbest fucking idea. Other than the obvious legal battles and terrible optics, the logistics of getting a unified candidate and get that information out to the public before the election is impossible.
Sen Mark Warner might as well be a Republican for attacking the Dem candidate. It won’t do anything good, it will fail, and it will be used to attack Biden going forward. Being critical and shooting yourself and country in the face don’t have to be the same thing.
Sen Mark Warner might as well be a Republican
I would say that any one suggesting the Democrats stick with a candidate polling in the low thirties might as well be a Republican.
Republicans need the Democrats to stick with Biden. They literally are fucked if the Democrats pick almost any other candidate. 70% of Americans think Biden is mentally unfit to be President.
70%.
Thats an insane number. Biden is over. He can’t win with numbers like that.
There aren’t going to be any legal battles and its going to be the best earned media the Democrats will ever get in the history of the party if they go to a contested convention. The presidential election is nothing at all like a smaller regional race. Whoever ends up being the candidate will get literally billions of dollars in earned media by simply “becoming” the candidate. The whole drama of it suddenly engages what is currently a completely disengaged voting populace.
So no.
Whoever ends up being the candidate will get literally billions of dollars in earned media by simply “becoming” the candidate. The whole drama of it suddenly engages what is currently a completely disengaged voting populace.
This is the most important bit IMO.
At this point, I don’t even think of dumping Biden as just a satisfactory fallback position, but as a winning strategy, and specifically for this reason.
It’s not as if Biden suddenly became a weak candidate the night of the debate - he’s been a weak candidate all along. As I just said earlier, the only thing that changed with the debate is that more people came to that conclusion.
And all it would take to motivate the base - to get Democrats enthused in a way that they haven’t been since 2008 - is to throw open the nomination. That would bring the race a sense of excitement and hope that hasn’t just been missing since the debate, but all along.
At this point, I don’t even think of dumping Biden as just a satisfactory fallback position, but as a winning strategy, and specifically for this reason.
100%
It’s not as if Biden suddenly became a weak candidate the night of the debate - he’s been a weak candidate all along. As I just said earlier, the only thing that changed with the debate is that more people came to that conclusion.
100%
And all it would take to motivate the base - to get Democrats enthused in a way that they haven’t been since 2008 - is to throw open the nomination. That would bring the race a sense of excitement and hope that hasn’t just been missing since the debate, but all along.
and 100%.
Drop Biden and claim the W. Give us someone we can vote for and we will.
Nah push for ranked voting instead corporate democrats
I’m sucking it up and going to voter for whomever we get that isn’t Joe Biden.
We can figure out how we actually take over the DNC after we ensure there will be a “next election”.
Just vote for Joe and stop killing his incumbent momentum.
Bro he’ s never had any and you’re lying to yourself to said he had any.
At no point in the past 500 days has he been in a position to even be competitive in this election.
Pretending that this guy has a chance when every iota of evidence we have says he’s going to lose is basically the equivalent of voting for Trump.
All of this because the Whitehouse didn’t juice Biden up with the Doctor Feelgood syringe left over from the Kennedy years.
Downvote the news, but it still remains news.
For such a prominent Senator to have gone public, there must be a torrent of activity in private.
There is a significant cohort of lemmings living in a gaslit fantasy where they’ve lost themselves in a gamblers fallacy around Biden as candidate. They’ll come back around, much later, after he’s replaced as candidate, and pretend they were never the person they were.
As far as the posturing and jockeying, game is on I suppose.
Any Democrats who can stand up and show leadership right now stand a very good chance of becoming the most powerful person in the world. Trump is a deeply unpopular candidate. It won’t take much to expose his weakness for what it is, we just currently happen to have the weakest possible candidate. Swap the candidate, adopt the positions of the base, and whoever ends up being the nominee can coast into office.
My problem with the whole thing is there hasn’t been anyone stepping up and saying how about me. I haven’t seen any mention of any actual names whatsoever.
You gotta decide what else to make before you dump the water.
I could be wrong, idk.
They will. We’re “just on the other side” of a whole paradigm shift. Its only been a week and we’re still a good bit out from the convention.
It should be telling that Newsom was on screen within 15 seconds of the debate, and Kamala about the same “surrogating” for Biden. Whats them applying for the job.
Who though… Comments like this are useless unless there is a valid replacement. So again… Who, or STFU.
No thats just wrong.
You are engaging in a form of lying when you say we need to have a decision already made to criticize Biden. You should stop lying. We haven’t actually had a convention yet. He’ isn’t the nominee and doesn’t have to be. We don’t have to make that decision until the convention.
Sure but… WHO?!
If thats an important condition for you to have before you move on from a lost cause, you should come up with an answer to that question on your own and suggest it.
You’re the one saying Biden should be replaced. Why on earth would it be mortalic’s responsibility to suggest the alternative?
Do you know what sea lioning is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
Its a fundamental form of trolling that OP is engaging in, and that apparently, you think I should engage with.
Think about it as a metaphor. I come to you with the information that your house is on fire. OP is basically making a rhetorical argument that if I can’t provide them with a house they’ll find suitable, we shouldnt leave the burning house we’re currently in.
The information about the state of the house (candidate in our case) is independent from there being another house that isn’t on fire.
You should never, ever engage with people like them. They are not having this discussion in good faith. If its important to them they should suggest a candidate. There are plenty to suggest. But that is a fundamentally separate discussion.
I just took a look at your post history. It’s literally only anti-Biden. I hope you’re getting paid…
Yeah I want a Democrat to win the election and Biden has a less than 1 in 20 shot of doing that.
The only path to stopping Trump is replacing Biden. Continuing to promote Biden as a candidate is you basically asking for project 2025 to become a reality. And as you can see, there are a lot of idiots to push back on who think a guy polling in the low thirties can make it happen.
I have responded to so many of these “who tho” requests, but they all end up in silence without even a reply. At this point I’m thinking it’s some kind of script that sea lions were told to follow.
Oh 100%. They are completely full of shit. There is no answer you could give them that would satisfy them and they were never asking the question in good faith to begin with. Its also not really an important question. Its something we can answer at the convention.
Literally almost all Democrats poll 10-20 points higher than Biden. So the answer is “any of them”. Literally any Democrat could would be enough of an improvement to stop Trump in his tracks.
And there are some solid picks out there. I really think Kamala would be fine; she would invigorate the african-american vote, and guarantee us black-woman voters (which might be a big fucking problem if she isn’t the nominee). Newsom is like, greased-up-deaf-guy slick, but he’s got a machine behind him. I would want someone progressive like Witmer, but I just don’t care at this point. Any one. I think the most strategic choice would be Andy Beshear (2x Democratic southern governor like Bill Clinton; steal Kentucky from the Republicans) would be a very smart strategic choice.
Kamala would sway any centrists towards Trump hands down. There is no brand recognition here besides maybe AOC and she’d fit a VP pick better. I fear a new candidate will only fracture us and ensure a Trump victory. There’s so much at stake for such uncertainty. I can say I will vote for whoever is opposing Trump and Project 2025. I just hope more than half the country is seeing all this shit and thinking “Nah, I dont want a king.”
You dont need name/ brand recognition at this level. Its the presidency and there will only be two options. Its the wrong rule-stick for this level of race. If this were a house race or even a senate seat, sure. But not for whomever will carry the Democratic nomination.
I fear a new candidate will only fracture us
This is a weird talking point that has suddenly become very consistent.
Bro. We’re already fully fractured and its Biden thats done the fracturing. Don’t fear the unknown: fear the known failure the commentators here have been telling you that you are pot-committed to. Thats a far far far bigger concern than not going to the convention with a candidate in hand.
Any Democrats who can stand up and show leadership right now stand a very good chance of becoming the most powerful person in the world. Trump is a deeply unpopular candidate. It won’t take much to expose his weakness for what it is, we just currently happen to have the weakest possible candidate. Swap the candidate, adopt the positions of the base, and whoever ends up being the nominee can coast into office.
I think this is rather obviously true. Many on the left have been pushing for a different, and presumably better, candidate from the beginning, so in a way, all that’s changed since the debate is that many more have joined them. So really, all the Dems have to do is provide the people with that candidate, and it’ll be a runaway.
BUT…
I’m starting to worry that the DNC is going to fuck it up yet again, and specifically because, just as was the case in 2016 and 2020, they’re not only going to not adopt the positions of the base, but are going to instead manipulate the process in order to shove another establishment hack down our throats. And quite likely not even just any establishment hack, but the one that’s already proven to be even less popular than Biden - Hillary Clinton.
This is a moment for the DNC to get out of the way and let the people come together and choose the candidate they want. That’s the exact thing that will motivate the base, and in turn guarantee Trump’s defeat.
I’m just afraid that the DNC won’t be able to do that - that in their all-consuming self-centeredness and greed, they’re going to fuck it up for all of us, yet again.
Your caution is well warranted.
The biggest mistake the DNC could make would be not taking the advantage that an open convention offers them. They desperately need to put out an air of at least ‘presumed’ democracy in the shocking un-democratic process which is Democratic elections. The delegates are all corporate, Biden/ Harris democrats. But at least put on a show of democracy. And build the theater a bit. Give the audience some action and some drama. Use the opportunity to build some headlines.
Or, its very late in the game and this chaos causes the dems to splinter, leaving trump ripe for victory.
You act like you know exactly what will happen, when in reality things can end up pear shaped whether we stick with biden or get a new candidate.
Polls and MSM are focusing on biden, allowing trump to gain ground. Whatever is gonna happen needs to happen NOW.
I mean, Trumps going to win if we stick with Biden.
There are two things I’m confident in, in this order:
Biden won’t be the next president;
Biden won’t be the nominee.
The idea that we should stick with a candidate who has effectively already lost this election because shifting candidates would cause “splintering” is ignoring the fact that the party is already splintered. If it wasn’t, Biden wouldn’t be losing like this.
Brace yourself, bc based on discussions here and what he’s said, I think Biden will remain the nominee. Yes, that should chill you to the bone, if it causes Trump to win. However, everyone seems too afraid to buck the system right now - e.g. Harris is not well-liked already, by anyone it seems, and stands to gain the Presidency handed to her by Biden, so she’s not going to risk that sweet deal by trying to remove him. If he did so willingly, which he’s already said that he won’t, then that would be one thing, but otherwise…
I mean he’s going to say that until he isn’t running any more. I’m not clutching my pearls.
If I do start clutching my pearls, head for the exits. I’ll be very loud about it at that time.
I think we’re not going to have Biden as the eventual nominee; I think whomever we end up with will do fine (as long as they are on the right side of the Israel/ Gaza issue).
