• brown567@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    I’m voting blue, and you should too

    But if it’s a competition for engagement, why did we have to go with the least engaging candidate possible?

    • Zorque@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 year ago

      Because the system isn’t fixed yet.

      Unfortunately, we have to engage in order to fix it. It won’t just fix itself so that we can participate with a clean ego conscience.

      • Habahnow@sh.itjust.works
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        1 year ago

        So much this. This is a shitty game, but the only way to fix the game, is to play. Keep voting blue to beat the fascist reds, and in primaries, vote with your heart. A strong voter turnout for both will make the red party irrelevant until they move more to the center, while also pushing blue more left.

      • Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        Okay… But let’s walk it out… Say turn out is good enough to beat Trump this time… Biden gets in again… What’s the next step? How do we then get him and the Dems to fix the system? Probably not even that hard… Ranked choice, end dark money, end gerrymandering… The rest will likely sort itself out… So what? Do we call our elected reps and say, okay, this time I really mean it, you fix this dumpster fire or else… Else what?

        (Just to keep this from getting derailed… I’m voting for Biden and so should everyone, especially in the swing states.)

        But I’ve heard this song before… Over and over… Just vote like you’re told to this time, and then we’ll fix the system later… And like clockwork we’re right back here every 4 years… And god forbid anyone ever point out that we did this exact same dance last time, and we got them in, and shocker of all shockers, they didn’t fucking fix anything about the system. Shit, they didn’t even try.

        So show me the Democrat’s plan to fix the system. Or I guess it is already “fixed”… How are they going to unfuck it?

        • frickineh@lemmy.world
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          1 year ago

          Step one is that people need to show up for more than just presidential elections. The only way to move left at a national level is to show the establishment that progressive candidates are winning in local and state races and it’s more than just a couple of them here or there. Get more progressives in the kind of offices that can set them up to be governors and senators - those are the people who generally end up as president. There’s no overnight solution, which is what a lot of people seem to expect.

          Buuuut voter turnout in non-presidential election years sucks, and it’s even worse outside of midterms. I don’t know how to solve that part. I’ve voted in every single election I could since I turned 18, and I don’t understand the complete lack of engagement. I know how to solve the things that prevent willing voters from doing it, but I don’t know how we fix apathy.

  • Guest_User@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Why is that? Do dems simply have less voter engagement or is this a split on age lines? Really interesting statistics though!

    • Optional@lemmy.worldOP
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      1 year ago

      Gerrymandering, voter ID, challenging voter registrations, disenfranchising felons, opposing mail-in voting, anonymous mailers threatening to arrest voters, closing polling stations in Democratic-leaning areas, challenging voters at the polls to gridlock the polling places, making the handing out of water to people waiting to vote (in red states - where it’s hot) illegal.

      All the well-known cheating tactics of republiQans. Others are less well known. That’s one of the problems.

        • jflorez@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          1 year ago

          There is no shittier candidate than Trump. The there is MTG, Gaetz, Boebert, and so many others. The shittiest candidates I have ever seen.

          • zephorah@lemm.ee
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            1 year ago

            That’s a solid ranking. Trump IS worse than Gaetz and MTG.

            And he’s damn near as old as Biden. You think he’s not sundowning a little too when he starts rambling about sharks and shit?

  • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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    1 year ago

    The current political crisis is a competition of ideas. Specifically who can spread their ideas the farthest and the fastest. Neo-liberalism is entrenched in our society and because of that fascism is on the rise. People reflexively reject socialism without understanding that the ideas work and would improve our lives.

    We need to vote for Biden in 2024, because he is going to be the Democratic nominee. But defeating Trump will not be the end of this problem. Unless we successfully perform a political revolution we are going to be in this same situation with the threat of a fascist take-over every presidential election.

    We need wealth redistribution and also systemic change to our political and economic institutions. To do that we do need high voter turnout. We need people to vote for socialists and progressives in 2026 and 2028. To get those votes we need to change minds.

    I personally appreciate the sentiment of this meme, because we need to be encouraging voter turnout. But the fascist movement will only grow the longer we stick with neo-liberalism. The more wealth inequality grows the more people who will be susceptible to fascist ideas.