The policy came from me. It’s an instance level policy that you were never banned for.
I did remove some of your comments, and I will do that again if I become aware of misgendering, even if it’s accidental. But it didn’t get you banned then, and unless you start deliberately misgendering folk, it won’t get you banned now either.
Let’s say a troll comes along and uses neopronouns to undermine trans rights.
If your response to that is “You’re a troll, I don’t give a fuck about your pronouns”, then you’ve given the troll exactly the thing they’re trying to achieve, whilst also telling any trans people reading your posts that you only think their identity applies as long as they’re well behaved. Which is to say, you don’t hurt the troll, but actively encourage them, whilst also hurting the acceptance of gender diverse folk.
The only correct response to a troll in that scenario is to respect their professed identity, whilst banning them for trolling. Respecting someone’s identity isn’t a green light for ignoring anything else they do. But it sure is easy to conflate if you want to stir up a bit of drama at the trans communities expense.
Whatever makes you fell better. You protected a well-known troll when everyone tried to tell you- and you continued to protect them when proof was provided.
For the record: People can be thoroughly disgusted by a troll embedding themselves in your community as an “attack helicopter”- and simultaneously support the trans community. It’s called “nuance,” and it’s something one would assume an admin would have a firm understanding of.
Making a blanket protection around something and then blindly doling out bans and removals without understanding that people can and will take advantage of this can only be described as piss-poor moderation.
Because as it stands, by your rules. I can say that I identify as a 1972 Trans Am and demand that people cal me PontiacFucker and you will have to defend me against those that would accuse me of being disingenuous…. Right?
embedding themselves in your community as an “attack helicopter”-
You’d benefit from doing some research on Isabel Fall.
without understanding that people can and will take advantage of this
Normalising the idea that only well behaved trans folk deserve to have their identity respected hurts the trans community far more than the actions of a theoretical troll slipping through the cracks occasionally.
can say that I identify as a 1972 Trans Am and demand that people cal me PontiacFucker and you will have to defend me against those that would accuse me of being disingenuous…. Right?
Yep. I’d also ban you for trolling at the same time however, because your actions would make it clear that your goal here is to stir up drama in response to a moderation approach you don’t agree with.
You’d benefit from doing some research on Isabel Fall.
That sounds interesting and I want to look into it.
Reading the Wikipedia page I want to ask, what part of it specifically are you referring to?
The story itself, or the authors health in response to the criticism?
I’m referring to a trans person using the attack helicopter slur as an act of empowerment and reclamation, and getting turned on by the community for it.
The point being that she looked like a troll to many people, and was attacked for it, but she was not a troll, and the over the top response did more damage than any troll could have done.
…because your actions would make it clear that your goal here is to stir up drama in response to a moderation approach you don’t agree with.
So then why did you protect drag? Are you willing to admit that seemingly everyone saw something you didn’t see? Because we all knew he was trolling. You protected him.
How did I protect drag specifically? Drag was banned from several blahaj communities and I was quite explicit in support of community mods right to make that decision.
The protection I did offer is the same protection I offer all our users, which is freedom from deliberate misgendering.
Though I can see why you might take issue with that, given that you just misgendered drag, despite our ongoing conversation.
You removed comments and/or banned people for calling them a troll. Which is exactly what they are.
Look, I’m sure you’re a cool person. You seem like you care about the right things. Outside of this single issue, I’m sure we’d probably get along fine. But I don’t see any understanding coming from this.
I believe you did wrong. And you don’t. And that’ll have to be okay with both of us.
The policy came from me. It’s an instance level policy that you were never banned for.
I did remove some of your comments, and I will do that again if I become aware of misgendering, even if it’s accidental. But it didn’t get you banned then, and unless you start deliberately misgendering folk, it won’t get you banned now either.
It’s not misgendering when it’s a troll that is mocking the trans community. Show me where I misgendered someone that wasn’t trolling your instance.
Let’s say a troll comes along and uses neopronouns to undermine trans rights.
If your response to that is “You’re a troll, I don’t give a fuck about your pronouns”, then you’ve given the troll exactly the thing they’re trying to achieve, whilst also telling any trans people reading your posts that you only think their identity applies as long as they’re well behaved. Which is to say, you don’t hurt the troll, but actively encourage them, whilst also hurting the acceptance of gender diverse folk.
The only correct response to a troll in that scenario is to respect their professed identity, whilst banning them for trolling. Respecting someone’s identity isn’t a green light for ignoring anything else they do. But it sure is easy to conflate if you want to stir up a bit of drama at the trans communities expense.
I don’t know how you have the energy to keep trying to educate people who don’t want to understand! Massively respect you
Whatever makes you fell better. You protected a well-known troll when everyone tried to tell you- and you continued to protect them when proof was provided.
For the record: People can be thoroughly disgusted by a troll embedding themselves in your community as an “attack helicopter”- and simultaneously support the trans community. It’s called “nuance,” and it’s something one would assume an admin would have a firm understanding of.
Making a blanket protection around something and then blindly doling out bans and removals without understanding that people can and will take advantage of this can only be described as piss-poor moderation.
Because as it stands, by your rules. I can say that I identify as a 1972 Trans Am and demand that people cal me PontiacFucker and you will have to defend me against those that would accuse me of being disingenuous…. Right?
You’d benefit from doing some research on Isabel Fall.
Normalising the idea that only well behaved trans folk deserve to have their identity respected hurts the trans community far more than the actions of a theoretical troll slipping through the cracks occasionally.
Yep. I’d also ban you for trolling at the same time however, because your actions would make it clear that your goal here is to stir up drama in response to a moderation approach you don’t agree with.
That sounds interesting and I want to look into it.
Reading the Wikipedia page I want to ask, what part of it specifically are you referring to?
The story itself, or the authors health in response to the criticism?
I’m referring to a trans person using the attack helicopter slur as an act of empowerment and reclamation, and getting turned on by the community for it.
The point being that she looked like a troll to many people, and was attacked for it, but she was not a troll, and the over the top response did more damage than any troll could have done.
ohh I see. thanks for the explanation!
How I wish there was more of this kind of response and attitude in the world.
So then why did you protect drag? Are you willing to admit that seemingly everyone saw something you didn’t see? Because we all knew he was trolling. You protected him.
How did I protect drag specifically? Drag was banned from several blahaj communities and I was quite explicit in support of community mods right to make that decision.
The protection I did offer is the same protection I offer all our users, which is freedom from deliberate misgendering.
Though I can see why you might take issue with that, given that you just misgendered drag, despite our ongoing conversation.
You removed comments and/or banned people for calling them a troll. Which is exactly what they are.
Look, I’m sure you’re a cool person. You seem like you care about the right things. Outside of this single issue, I’m sure we’d probably get along fine. But I don’t see any understanding coming from this.
I believe you did wrong. And you don’t. And that’ll have to be okay with both of us.