The climate has to get worse for the goal of adding more people from the lower class to the middle class. As someone IN the middle class, who has actual empathy for other human beings, as long as we aren’t going out of our way to kill animals slowly and painfully and/or to the point of extinction, and the ecosystem hasn’t collapsed, I refuse to believe in any goal that puts some vague emphasis on “the climate” as the “good guy” in this.
Evolution is an endless process of monsters eating the babies that need the most help to survive. Nature is the reason we’re killing the environment, “survival of the fittest” i.e. only those with advantages survive and adapt to the changing status of the climate, is the very essence of the very capitalism that is killing the climate.
Survival of the fittest is obsolete and cruel. It’s time we stopped fighting for “the climate” and started defying capitalism, the one place where we can remove Darwinian competition from it without just destroying it further. Sadly, nature needs competition and death to be what it is. That is why we CHOOSE to see humans as separate, instead of justifying it by calling ourselves “just animals”. In the absence of an actual judge above man, we should strive to meet the expectations we would want a benevolent judge to force us to meet.
But let me guess, you’re some greenwashed zealot who only eats vegan food and will probably think I think avocado on toast is common for “young people”? Because only privileged assholes want middle class standards to be lowered. If the superyachts or personal “business” jets were barred from being used by wealthy people like bicycles to globetrot where “the riffraff” can’t afford to go, the dent in carbon emissions would outweigh ALL carbon emissions by everyone else. The rich need to stop riding alone, they can travel 1st class if they want but none of this having a personal jet plane with more seats than the owner has immediate family members. When a teenage “princess” owns a jet so she can fly back and forth to Europe partying non-stop in-flight and until they get back home from vacation-partying every weekend, owning a jet with more than 4 seats is no longer a reasonable thing for the law to allow for private citizens.
I can’t survive without the few luxuries in my life because I literally feel so miserable without access to video games that I would commit suicide. That’s not the same as thinking you’re too good to fly commercial, because I believe no one can reasonably be denied access to the luxuries I have and I understand that people are denied much of what I have. If society can’t uplift most people to middle class, fuck the climate. We’re better off dying if it is doomed to collapse before we achieve a world where people are able to truly enjoy living, not just survive.
You know, I was going to reply to this substantively despite your bizarre “fuck the climate” attitude as if there will be a middle class if the Earth keeps warming… but then you decided to make personal attacks, and I stopped reading.
I WOULD RATHER FUCKING DIE THAN HAVE TO LOWER MY STANDARDS, SO I’LL FUCKING KILL YOU TO REMOVE MY SHARE OF CO2 IF YOU TRY TO FORCE ME TO LIVE WITHOUT MEDICATION, VIDEO GAMES AND THE INTERNET. I HATE YOU, I FUCKING HATE YOU, YOU PIECE OF SHIT FROM THE ASS OF A SON OF A BASTARD, NEVER TALK AGAIN!
You get personal attacks when what you want is directly in complete opposition to the only logical response. If the climate fails because we continued growing the middle class, then mankind was never meant to exist and we should go extinct. Fuck you, I hope you fucking suffer.
Sure looks to me like that’s what you were saying:
I wish China could wave a magic wand and have their entire energy grid go green, but the truth is that their middle class is still growing, and with it the demand for electricity, and even with the massive amount of spending they’ve put into wind and solar those forms of power simply can’t keep up with the rising demand on their own, so coal remains a necessary part of their multimodal grid with multiple redundancies and sufficient storage.
Coal is like 50% of their grid. If you removed it you would be plunging the whole country back into the dark ages.
The future is 100% green energy, but that isn’t going to happen overnight, and especially can’t happen overnight in a growing economy that needs to add energy at a high rate to keep up with demand.
China is spending more than the rest of the world combined on green energy, and they are currently putting more green energy on their grid than anything else. But they still need fossil fuels to maintain their current growth.
When that growth slows down, then it becomes possible for a shift to occur, where green energy is added and fossil energy is taken offline. It is not currently possible to do this in China.
You know where it is possible to do this? Fully developed countries like America, where demand has more or less peaked and there is no excuse for continuing to add fossil fuels onto the grid. If we spent half of what China spends on green energy, we could be retiring all of our own fossil fuel power plants by the end of the decade, but not only are we not doing this we have trained a certain sector of our population to clap like monkeys and point at other countries whenever the issue comes up.
Pointing at countries that have only developed recently and are still going through the process and saying “you can’t use fossil fuels” while living in a country that built its entire economy on fossil fuels is peak chauvinistic bullshit. Have some self awareness and think about context before you make broad proclamations.
“The climate has to get worse for the benefit of the middle class” is a weird argument.
The climate has to get worse for the goal of adding more people from the lower class to the middle class. As someone IN the middle class, who has actual empathy for other human beings, as long as we aren’t going out of our way to kill animals slowly and painfully and/or to the point of extinction, and the ecosystem hasn’t collapsed, I refuse to believe in any goal that puts some vague emphasis on “the climate” as the “good guy” in this.
Evolution is an endless process of monsters eating the babies that need the most help to survive. Nature is the reason we’re killing the environment, “survival of the fittest” i.e. only those with advantages survive and adapt to the changing status of the climate, is the very essence of the very capitalism that is killing the climate.
Survival of the fittest is obsolete and cruel. It’s time we stopped fighting for “the climate” and started defying capitalism, the one place where we can remove Darwinian competition from it without just destroying it further. Sadly, nature needs competition and death to be what it is. That is why we CHOOSE to see humans as separate, instead of justifying it by calling ourselves “just animals”. In the absence of an actual judge above man, we should strive to meet the expectations we would want a benevolent judge to force us to meet.
But let me guess, you’re some greenwashed zealot who only eats vegan food and will probably think I think avocado on toast is common for “young people”? Because only privileged assholes want middle class standards to be lowered. If the superyachts or personal “business” jets were barred from being used by wealthy people like bicycles to globetrot where “the riffraff” can’t afford to go, the dent in carbon emissions would outweigh ALL carbon emissions by everyone else. The rich need to stop riding alone, they can travel 1st class if they want but none of this having a personal jet plane with more seats than the owner has immediate family members. When a teenage “princess” owns a jet so she can fly back and forth to Europe partying non-stop in-flight and until they get back home from vacation-partying every weekend, owning a jet with more than 4 seats is no longer a reasonable thing for the law to allow for private citizens.
I can’t survive without the few luxuries in my life because I literally feel so miserable without access to video games that I would commit suicide. That’s not the same as thinking you’re too good to fly commercial, because I believe no one can reasonably be denied access to the luxuries I have and I understand that people are denied much of what I have. If society can’t uplift most people to middle class, fuck the climate. We’re better off dying if it is doomed to collapse before we achieve a world where people are able to truly enjoy living, not just survive.
You know, I was going to reply to this substantively despite your bizarre “fuck the climate” attitude as if there will be a middle class if the Earth keeps warming… but then you decided to make personal attacks, and I stopped reading.
I WOULD RATHER FUCKING DIE THAN HAVE TO LOWER MY STANDARDS, SO I’LL FUCKING KILL YOU TO REMOVE MY SHARE OF CO2 IF YOU TRY TO FORCE ME TO LIVE WITHOUT MEDICATION, VIDEO GAMES AND THE INTERNET. I HATE YOU, I FUCKING HATE YOU, YOU PIECE OF SHIT FROM THE ASS OF A SON OF A BASTARD, NEVER TALK AGAIN!
You get personal attacks when what you want is directly in complete opposition to the only logical response. If the climate fails because we continued growing the middle class, then mankind was never meant to exist and we should go extinct. Fuck you, I hope you fucking suffer.
If that’s what you think I was saying then you need to work on your reading comprehension.
Sure looks to me like that’s what you were saying:
Calling coal necessary…
Coal is like 50% of their grid. If you removed it you would be plunging the whole country back into the dark ages.
The future is 100% green energy, but that isn’t going to happen overnight, and especially can’t happen overnight in a growing economy that needs to add energy at a high rate to keep up with demand.
China is spending more than the rest of the world combined on green energy, and they are currently putting more green energy on their grid than anything else. But they still need fossil fuels to maintain their current growth.
When that growth slows down, then it becomes possible for a shift to occur, where green energy is added and fossil energy is taken offline. It is not currently possible to do this in China.
You know where it is possible to do this? Fully developed countries like America, where demand has more or less peaked and there is no excuse for continuing to add fossil fuels onto the grid. If we spent half of what China spends on green energy, we could be retiring all of our own fossil fuel power plants by the end of the decade, but not only are we not doing this we have trained a certain sector of our population to clap like monkeys and point at other countries whenever the issue comes up.
Pointing at countries that have only developed recently and are still going through the process and saying “you can’t use fossil fuels” while living in a country that built its entire economy on fossil fuels is peak chauvinistic bullshit. Have some self awareness and think about context before you make broad proclamations.
You put something I supposedly said in quotes.
Please link to where I said it.
We’re back to the reading comprehension problem again.
That wasn’t a direct quote, that was a characterization of the shallow vapidity of your argument.
That wasn’t my argument, so I guess both of us have reading comprehension issues.
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