If you buy and Nvidia card you “pay” for DLSS, since it works by using specific material hardware inside the GPU for the job.
If you buy a Intel or AMD GPU you don’t neither pay for FSR and XESS
Intel has specific hardware for XESS on their GPUs which is why other GPUs running XESS have to use the DP4a path instead of XMX
Because most of the users don’t know how to turn that shit off in AAA games. It’s often just defaults to being on, no?
Also I thought DLSS is supposed to help with underspecced PC-s to help run modern games. So this is a self burn in a way, either RTX cards are not as performant as hoped, or the AAA games sector is just fucked, as they cannot for the life of them pump out an optimized game.
Fuck Nvidia. Buy AMD and be a patient gamer. You’ll never need DLSS or anything like it if you sit a couple years behind the leading edge. You’ll get cheaper cards, cheaper games, and flawless performance on ultra settings.
I’ve operated this way since 2015 and have no plan to stop.
Can you give an actual example because it makes no sense to me if you buy (for example) 2 gens old cards to play games that released 2 gens ago and you somehow get flawless performance with the highest settings? Just doesn’t make sense unless you’re omitting some key information like overclocking or not actually using raytracing etc.
I use AMD now because I migrated from Win to Linux last year.
I didn’t play The Witcher 3 until 2022. I had a Radeon HD 4890 until 2022 when I bought my first and last Nvidia card, a 2060. The 2060 could run it well enough that I never had to care about the gfx settings.
Because I switched to Linux and enjoyed it so much, I purchased a more modern card this time around to future-proof my PC. I got a 7800XT. I’m hoping I can get at least 6-7 years out of it before upgrading.
So you don’t actually know if you need upscalers or not and your argument for getting flawless performance in ultra graphics is based on a game that at that point was almost a decade old and your current experience would be based on almost top of the line current gen AMD card.
If you just wanted to say "fuck Nvidia"and tell people to be patient gamers that’s fair, but the rest of your comment is just bullshit. Cards from a few years ago won’t flawlessly play games from a few years ago on ultra settings (because games from a few years ago will already have raytracing), unless they’re top of the line Nvidia cards and even then you might still need to resort to DLSS because 4k raytracing is so taxing. AMD cards are great bang for the buck, especially if you don’t care about raytracing, but in terms of raw performance, especially with raytracing, Nvidia cards are superior.
As for upscalers, developers have been using it as a crutch for the past 5 years. Getting good FPS natively usually means just playing on lower resolution which defeats the purpose of running native resolution. And on higher resolutions, unless you have a high end card, you have to choose between good FPS or upscaling.
Whew. Some of you seem to be taking this like a personal attack and it’s kinda funny, tbh.
If you don’t like my use case or my suggestion, you can disregard it and move along.
I don’t live in a world where I need to min/max performance. All I want is for the games I play to look good enough to not distract me from the content. I don’t think I’ve ever used raytracing in my life. I don’t even overclock my shit or use any boost options on my hardware. All I care about is maxing put the lifespan of the hardware I buy and having fun with the games I play. Nothing else matters.
Buying games on deep cut sales years after the fact and enjoying excellent performance on a reasonably modern card is what I aim for. If that’s not for you, that’s fine. I don’t give two shits about modern games because half of the AAA releases are slop these days and you need to spend stupid amounts of money to have the hardware to make them look even remotely good on release. There are few exceptions to this.
So I won’t be made to feel bad about recommending that folks ditch Nvidia for AMD and live a couple years behind the curve. It works for me, it works for my friends, and it will work for some of you that read this.
I’m not taking it personally, I just don’t like when people spread misinformation. If you live in a world where you don’t need to mix max performance don’t make statements that you get flawless performance on ultra settings, because you’re not. I get the patient gamer sentiment, I have a vast catalogue of games that I don’t need to get the latest and greatest of games, I get them only if it’s something I really want to play. For example I will get Monster Hunter wilds because I love monster hunter, but the Indiana Jones game went into my wishlist because that’s something I can wait to go on sale. I support people waiting to buy games.
However what I don’t do is in the year 2027-2028 I tell people that if they buy a 40 series card they’ll be able to play Indiana Jones natively at 60+ FPS with ultra settings. That would effectively be misinformation because unless you’re buying a 4090 (which I doubt would be reasonably priced 3 years from now) that’s just not true.
Like I said before, if you want to say fuck Nvidia that’s fine. If you want to suggest they get AMD cards, that’s fine. But don’t tell them they’ll get something they definitely won’t get, especially with AMD cards.
You are attemptijg to justify the features that you don’t have so that you don’t look as bad and trying to make others lower their way of thinking to try to make them give up features that you believe nobody on the planet can use since you don’t use it. You’re making a self serving argument trying to take away people’s right to choose what they want to buy and not making an objective analysis.
For example, I use NVENC encoding for recording 4 times a week. The 50-series has a new NVENC hardware encoder and decoder. How is AMD’s encoder for recording in comparison to nVidia?
I bought a 2000 Camry to drive instead of a high end GPU, so yeah I need upscaling. It’ll still be useful in 10 years too.
…good call, that camry gets infinite FPS at infinite resolution and dynamic range; enjoy!..
You don’t say. Kinda hard to avoid if it’s now a requirement to run anything.
Yeah, no shit.
You present two choices: 65fps with DLSS, or 28 FPS without it, then yes, 80% of people will no-shit-sherlock pick the higher number.
Translation: We were successful into bribing our way into the development scene to have games be unoptimised, driving sales and margins up, thus pleasing shareholders. We’re still shit at making server blades and connectors though, as seen by the thousands of cancelled blackwell server orders in favour of the older Hopper, given blackwell is a fire hazard. Thank you regarded gamers for buying our low VRAM trash so we will never be made to pay for our fuck ups.
Edit: added sauces
