• conditional_soup@lemm.ee
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    4 months ago

    I’m a paramedic, these are absolutely fatal temperatures. “Oh WeLl He HaD a SeIzUrE dIsOrDeR”, yeah, it’s called heat stroke, you mop handle. People have seizures from heat stroke. Turns out that stuff that makes seizures more likely tends to provoke seizures, go fucking figure. “Well, hold on, they had medical conditions”, yeah, medical conditions make people more vulnerable to heat exposure, which means that when you let their core temperatures get up to the level of causing a heat stroke, they’re going to fucking die.

    I really hope the next of kin can try to get an independent examiner to review their case and sue these jackasses to the point where they can’t even keep their dog’s shit, because this is absolutely 100% gross negligence, manslaughter, and downright immoral, unethical behavior.

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      It’s not manslaughter. The Depraved Indifference (also called Depraved-Heart) rule elevates it to murder.

      When someone actively chooses to act in a way that is so dangerous that death is a likely outcome, the depraved indifference to human life is essentially treated as intent to kill. The classic example would be choosing not to recall a tainted batch of medicine in order to maintain profits.

      This would certainly qualify for the rule.

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    Indeed, ones responsible for keeping him in that cell are the ones who murdered him by not providing care nor suitable living conditions.

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    I mean the state of Texas is right. The heat didn’t kill him, they did with their negligence.

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      They actually ruled that it has to be cruel and unusual. Not just one or the other. It’s messed up.

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    Texas is a barbaric state, just like Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee and more. I would kill myself if I was sentenced to serve time in any of them.

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      He must have had a fever. A very strong fever that also heated up the rest of the area to a similar temperature. I am sure that was what happened.

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    No. It was all of his proteins denaturing that killed him, the heat was merely a part of his totally not cruel and unusual punishment.

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    It’s likely they are trying to deflect on a technicality; something like “Medical experts say …[etc etc]… at 108F.”

    They tend to do that a lot. Unfortunately that’s probably the heat lethal point; and it can vary a lot based on weight and size; which a doctor or educated practitioner would know; but not an average prison guard, captain or warden who is only intelligent enough to go by what their little book says.

    Obviously they are not taught nor instructed to have any compassion whatsoever; and prisoners’ complaints are routinely ignored, intentionally misrouted, mishandled and withheld without good reason.

    It’s oftentimes 10x worse in states like Texas…where the usual attitude is to dehumanize prisoners. I genuinely hope they are forced to reform things and stop slacking.

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      You’re right, it feels like "they didn’t die from Covid, they died from breathing complications!”.

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      Only in intelligent measuring systems.

      But of course we’re talking about America here, so intelligence is out of the question.

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        Metric measuring systems are superior in almost every use case, with the exception, I think, of how temperature feels to us. As arbitrary as Fahrenheit seems, it does seem like a more natural scale to talk about the weather or body temp. The smaller units are nice for these purposes too. 0 being very cold and 100 being very hot feels less arbitrary than -18 and 38, even if celcius is more logical and easier to use for many other things.

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          Arbitrary feeling is arbitrary on it’s own. I suspect it depends on what you have experienced the most in life (ie, what you grew up with). People growing up with Celsius likely feel the same as people growing up with Fahrenheit, that the other measure doesn’t make much sense and they can just equate what “hot” or “cold” is off a number.

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            I can’t believe people cared enough to downvote this. People are more comfortable with what they grew up with, what a novel idea. No no, the only system that makes sense is the one that puts 0 at too cold to be comfortable (for some people) and 100 to too warm to be comfortable (for some people). So let me ask this instead. Why 0 to 100? Why not 0 to 144? Why not 0 to 180? Why not 0 to 90? These all have their value, and would have been preferred in various cultures, because that’s what was familiar to them. The range is no less (or more) arbitrary than the markers used to divide it.

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    4 months ago

    This is TRUE! ANYONE whose gone through the Texas Education system knows it’s ILLEGAL to say things are HOT!